(Nov 10, 2020 07:53 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov 10, 2020 07:17 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]And one guess what happens if you successfully resist arrest? Cities all over the country have been having riots over what can happen when you resist arrest. You can be killed. IOW, it's only you accepting the imprisonment that keeps you from being killed. If all else fails to subdue you, lethal force is always an option. So it follows that the ultimate threat is to your life.
Good to know because the fight for reproductive rights is a fight for our freedom.
No, it isn't, because murder isn't a freedom...no matter how many euphemisms you use, like "reproductive rights".
You want to know what is your freedom? The decision to have sex. Learn how to be responsible for the consequences of that. (the "ignorant slut" is implied)
Quote:Syne Wrote:Keep telling yourself that, little miss my husband rarely touches me in public.
(Jun 21, 2019 11:13 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not into PDA.
What part of that didn't you understand?
That's just your excuse.
(Nov 10, 2020 07:57 PM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I didn't vote for the ''duopoly'' Syne, which you may see as throwing my vote away. (It isn’t.)
The only way a third-party vote isn't a throw away is if you live in a state with ranked voting, in which case you either did vote for a major party as a second choice or did manage to throw away your vote anyway.
Quote:When it comes to abortion, why do we bother to care about conservative SC justices being appointed?
Because the SC shuts done abortion restrictions in conservative states.
Quote:(I'm conservative (for want of a better word)
Very much in want.
Quote:But, if the SC finds that abortion isn't a Constitutional right, wouldn't any law challenging that (Biden's proposal)... be challenged (by the SC)?
If Roe is overturned, each state determines its own abortion laws. So abortion on-demand will still be a thing in blue states. Ruling abortion is not a right does not automatically make it, or funding it, illegal.
Quote:As an aside, I don't believe that the pro-life movement can depend on the government to change minds and hearts, when it comes to abortion.
Legislation is never meant to change minds. If anything, it's to allow the existing will of the people...like those in red states who want to stop abortion, in their own states.
Quote:I tend to agree with SS that if abortion were to become illegal, women will resort to ''back alley'' methods, and doctors will likely perform them unsafely and illegally.
Doctors already perform them without proper precautions, like nearness to a hospital with admitting privileges. Strip mall abortion clinics are not equipped to deal with things like hemorrhaging.
Without abortion, more women would learn to be more responsible, in their choice to have sex, use birth control, and taking the morning after pill. That's three chances to avoid an abortion that many women aren't currently taking seriously.
Quote:Abortion is a sensitive issue, and it should be understood that it's not something irresponsible women turn to as a form of birth control. Some may, but definitely not all. I've known women who have gone through abortions, and it was a difficult decision for every single one of them. So, to ban abortion nationwide, would not mean that women would cease obtaining them, but they would likely find shady doctors who would be willing to unsafely perform the procedure. Obviously a country-wide ban would serve as a deterrent, but many would seek other avenues.
Again, overturning Roe doesn't make abortion illegal nationwide. Abortion laws just revert to the states. And then we'd be able to compare what happens between different laws, instead of guessing. After all, we've come a long way since abortion was last illegal.
You can make an irresponsible decision (to have sex, fail to keep up with birth control [which studies have found is a major issue], and/or not take Plan B) and still fret over a decision to abort. The two are not mutually exclusive.
In 2014, about half (51%) of abortion patients in the United States reported that they had used a contraceptive method in the month they became pregnant, according to a new analysis by Guttmacher researcher Rachel Jones.
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The share of abortion patients relying on condoms decreased between 2000 and 2014 (from 28% to 24%), and there was a small but significant increase in the share of patients who relied on withdrawal (from 7% in 2000 to 9% in 2014). Use of long-acting reversible contraceptive (LARC) methods among abortion patients increased from 0.1% in 2000 to 1% in 2014. Jones notes that as more and more U.S. women rely on these methods, a larger number of individuals will experience method failure. It is also possible that some abortion patients became pregnant shortly after they stopped using LARCs or other contraceptive methods.
https://www.guttmacher.org/news-release/...hey-became
That's a lot of irresponsibility. 9% only using withdrawal? Really? Only 1% using a long-active method that doesn't rely on remembering to take a pill everyday (one of the main reasons for failure)?
Quote:The pro-life movement in other words can't solely rely on the government to change the trajectory of the conversation. It takes a lot more than shifting funding perspectives to change how we view life in all of its stages. Until our culture agrees on that point (find some common ground to start), we will continue to see abortion used as a political tool to gain votes.
And we will only expose people to different perspectives if there is some variance of abortion laws to compare the results of. Otherwise, they'll just do like SS and shriek about their freedom. But even then, the left has proven they will ignore science. So saving all the lives we can, by allowing those who will change laws to do so, may be the only thing attainable.
Quote:The fear many pro-lifers have is that if abortion becomes a paid option under the Affordable Care Act, then it would drive up abortions. This is possibly true, but it suggests then that abortion is strictly a financial issue for women, and not (at all) an existential, emotional or logical one. Let's leave religion out of this for a minute. Would women not struggle with the decision to abort if it were funded by the government? I say many would still struggle with the decision for a variety of reasons, and that shows that it's not an issue that can be sorted out by the government, alone.
Many currently do not struggle at all, as evidence of
#ShoutYourAbortion demonstrates. And while some may struggle with abortion at the time, they soon justify it to themselves, making the next easier:
99% of Women Say They Feel Relief, Not Regret, 5 Years After Having an Abortion
