(Jul 9, 2019 03:02 PM)C C Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul 8, 2019 11:06 PM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]That and he recently posted a video that was ridiculously vulgar about women.
Not that I managed to keep up with a fifteenth of what was posted in Sciforums even back when I "regularly" visited there back in the day, but I apparently missed "THE VIDEO" that was removed over there. As if I really wanted to see it and compare it with a potential contender (hip-hop in this case) deposited in Scivillage circa 11 months ago.
I don't keep up with pop-market music trends or a lot of entertainment areas for that matter, but the superficial impression I've gleaned from background controversy static is that some music genres can get away with literally anything nowdays. In contrast to relics like the "Beastie Boys" being taken to task for misogyny early in their career (as the article says, the oddball thing was that they happened to care about the criticism): https://slate.com/culture/2019/01/how-th...areer.html
The video here was described by the poster in the title as "incredible" (don't know whether that was in a positive or negative exclamatory context). So I guess it must be surprisingly horrific even for today's standards. I say "surprisingly" because in my pervasive ignorance or lack of updating with "what's currently cool" in various genres of the music world, I had assumed this kind of notorious pinnacle had been achieved or even been surpassed some time ago.
AFAIK, it doesn't advocate any violence but does romp through a porn-oriented vulgarity and explicitness concerning women being penile receptacles for male gratification. There's like what? -- a gazillion songs written over the past century that do the same general thing in a vastly more covert way.
So apparently it must be the forthright bluntness and HBO caliber lack of censorship that imbues it with any potential shock-value that the gazillion other "ho-hum" songs used to be ignored for due to lack of being that overt. Which is not saying there is any outrage over this one. Believe I did a search once and it turned up zip at the time. Which just reinforced my feeling that "Oh, I really am some neo-prude who's just out of touch with the music scene." I could just picture myself asking a groupie about it, and her responding: "Oh, that's just Lil Wayne. Whatever he does or wants to do, it's fantastic."
Quote:"Oh, that's just Lil Wayne. Whatever he does or wants to do, it's fantastic."
i dont mind if a music video is more porn than art, however there isa distinct difference to the rap labeled genre that seems to depict and glamourise rape culture ideology around sex.
i think it is nasty sadistic narcissistic feeding of the dark side.
i see some of that same tone come through in some semi soft core music videos also.
covert misogyny seems also a thing.
male sexual predator reinforcement seems common
Yep, RS - that's a good summary of it ^^
Meh, moving on now...said what I wanted, and just steering clear.
In other news, it's a gloomy rainy day, but sometimes those days feel nice. Like there's a quiet in the rain, or something.
It's a gloomy white sky here in Portland and the rains will start this afternoon. I love the rain. It's soothing and unexpected, like forgiveness.
(Jul 9, 2019 07:12 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]It's a gloomy white sky here in Portland and the rains will start this afternoon. I love the rain. It's soothing and unexpected, like forgiveness.
That's so true, and when it's over...everything feels new. And if we're lucky, a rainbow shows itself.
(Jul 9, 2019 03:56 AM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]@ Syne - Yea, you have to be in the threads to get a better picture. Isolated comments are hard to read. I don't believe that sexism is that - it's more of persistent attitude towards women. That video did shock me, and I'm not easily shocked. I can't see you or any guys here posting something like that. Ever.
Overall, I enjoy the site, but like all things...it's best in moderation. You know, I don't remember why you left, what I do remember is you were modding the religion section, right? i wasn't active for a while, and then returned and noticed that so many regulars had left.
Read a blog yesterday about how all forums are dying. I guess reddit is pretty popular, but I don't like the aesthetics/format of it.
(Jul 9, 2019 03:47 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Syne is a disgusting misogynist incel. Ofcourse he's gonna blame you for the sexism. It's always the women's fault in their world.
Woah, I musta missed some heated debates on here. lol Well, I've seen a few. 
If isolated comments cannot be determined to be sexism, then you are reading into them due to, I assume (as you've mentioned nothing else that can be positively identified as sexism) that one video. Otherwise, you could clearly show how he treats women differently from men.
I quit posting when I realized that the same people were always allowed to get away with the same crap that anyone not in favor would not be. Ad hominems can only flow one way there, so there's no mutually assured destruction to stem the tide.
Speaking of the devil, that's MR's latest running ad hominem...that he can never point to anything to even vaguely backup. It's lazy and dumb, like his insistence that everyone on the right is alt-right.
(Jul 9, 2019 04:35 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul 9, 2019 03:47 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Syne is a disgusting misogynist incel. Ofcourse he's gonna blame you for the sexism. It's always the women's fault in their world.
Quote:Woah, I musta missed some heated debates on here. lol Well, I've seen a few.
SS and CC can tell you more about them than me since they are women and have seen what he posts about them. I tend to ignore most of his posts, but from what I've read it get's pretty nasty when it's about women for him.
No, they can't, because I treat them the exact same way I treat you or any guy on this forum. This is just your fever dream ad hominem.
Seriously, MR, you should quit being such a pissy hermit and get out more...meet new people...maybe even just find a therapist, so you have at least one person to talk to in real life.
They're not isolated comments, Syne. (I know you don't post on there anymore, so just sharing that his antics can be seen in other threads.) He has a thread about ''women's rights,'' where he pretends to not understand what that means. He believes women should not be permitted the option of abortion if raped. He believes men should have a final say on the abortion issue. He posts an obscene video, and jokes about rape. He has made racist and homophobic comments as well in other threads I've run across, so it's patterned behavior of someone who is quite reckless with his negative views about minorities. I've just read some of the comments in these threads, but haven't posted any replies. One of the comments in that rape culture thread is very insightful - basically stating that there are probably others who agree with this guy, but because of moderation, etc they're outnumbered. In other words, if left unchecked, the site could easily become a site of intolerance, filled with all kinds of posts that would just ruin it.
Thing is - everyone is free to believe whatever they like about whomever they like, but keeping it to one's self, is probably the best idea.
Anyway, I'm happy to see that it has been addressed.
My madrone tree
is was giant and beautiful. I’ve read so many books underneath that tree. It’s rapidly dying now. I called an arborist to see if it could be saved but it doesn’t look good. It’s just a tree but I loved that tree.
Sorry to hear, SS.
Not just a tree...it's a special tree. We can have deep connections with nature, I think.
(Jul 10, 2019 03:57 PM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]They're not isolated comments, Syne.
You just said:
(Jul 9, 2019 03:56 AM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]@ Syne - Yea, you have to be in the threads to get a better picture. Isolated comments are hard to read.
If they're not isolated enough for you to point to specific examples, then you are reading into them all on your own.
Quote:(I know you don't post on there anymore, so just sharing that his antics can be seen in other threads.) He has a thread about ''women's rights,'' where he pretends to not understand what that means. He believes women should not be permitted the option of abortion if raped.
Two wrongs, a rape and killing a human life, do not make a right. What did the innocent baby do to deserve death?
Is that sexists, or is that just morally consistent? O_o
Quote:He believes men should have a final say on the abortion issue.
Really? Or did he just say that men should have
an equal say (you know, instead of women being able to kill their children with impunity), and you interpreted that as "final say"? O_o
You know, real egalitarianism.
Quote:He posts an obscene video, and jokes about rape.
I'll grant you the video, which is the ONLY thing you've mentioned that is actually problematic, but jokes about "rape and pillage" have been around a long time. If you want to make an issue of the latter, you'll be right at home with the professional offense takers.
Democrat Demands Prosecution Over Jokes, The Left Has Gone Full Authoritarian
Quote:He has made racist and homophobic comments as well in other threads I've run across, so it's patterned behavior of someone who is quite reckless with his negative views about minorities.
Quote:Where? Considering all the erroneous hay you've make out of one video, I seriously doubt it. You seem to be intent on questioning his credibility, but you're only succeeding in drawing doubts on your own.
I've just read some of the comments in these threads, but haven't posted any replies. One of the comments in that rape culture thread is very insightful - basically stating that there are probably others who agree with this guy, but because of moderation, etc they're outnumbered. In other words, if left unchecked, the site could easily become a site of intolerance, filled with all kinds of posts that would just ruin it.
What comments about rape culture?
Look, all these unsupported accusation basically amount to ad hominems...and where the guy can't even rebut them. That's dirty pool.
Quote:Thing is - everyone is free to believe whatever they like about whomever they like, but keeping it to one's self, is probably the best idea.
So you're interested in stifling speech too, huh?
Our neighbours found the baby seagull and have put it back on the roof - it seems to be ok. It looks like part of the nest collapsed so it may well be that the chick was accidentally launched off the roof. Anyway. Happy happy happy. My cup runneth over.