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(Oct 12, 2019 06:35 PM)C C Wrote: [ -> ]Even when they finally get psychiatric treatment it doesn't seem to do much good. Plus, at times having a severe clinical condition seems almost like free pass to continue, now that the days of classic state institutions are long gone. A homeless person could even sign themselves in back then, to get out of the winter.

Koos Nolst Appreciation Thread
https://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/koos...ead.31115/

Why the "Church" is disavowing Koos Nolst Trenite: "We will never know if Koos Nolst Trenite would have become dangerously insane without the "help" of the "Church" of Scientology." [...] "I don't often speak, but I feel that I owe it to the Koos that once was, to say something to the people who read this board. I knew Koos when he was normal. And believe me, he was a normal, fun loving guy. He was intelligent and he was my friend. "

https://twitter.com/causetrinity?lang=en

http://www.angelfire.com/space/platoworld/

I've never heard about that one before. Crank Dot Net used to be popular but I think there's too many nowadays.  I found a letter from his wife.
To all who have been and are involved,

Serious mistakes have been made in the research that was directed by Koos Nolst Trenite. The hidden intentions of Koos, of who he actually is, are now being looked into by me (Tulka) and Noel. Koos had motives of self-importance and absolute certainty of his rightness.

I received severe physical beatings by Koos, and severe vulgar language shouted at me by Koos, for six to 24 hours at a time. This Koos justified by various means, for instance that I refused to see his viewpoint, or that I was being mind controlled by various people to not agree to him. I at that time accepted those physical beatings and vulgar language, because Koos made me believe, during and afterwards, that I was making it necessary for him to so called "restrain" me.

No matter how true you might think the data to be, it still does not justify those physical actions, and certainly not, if they are supposedly coming form an Archangel.

As you may have noticed when reading or listening to the data written by Koos or recorded from sessions, the data was not looked or discussed or corrected for errors by anyone else than Koos himself. This already disqualifies the data form being research data. It is, as a matter of fact, and especially under those circumstances, only information that Koos intended to use in order to achieve justification for is actions.

The physical violence and vulgar language by Koos, is not something new. He did the same to Freya and also to Jutta, for his same reasons. This behavior of his is not in any way justifiable, by anything.

The Ambassador for Mankind Foundation will be closed. Koos is at the moment in a mental hospital, and will be staying there for an unknown amount of time.

I still want to find out what actually is the truth behind all the data that I have given in the sessions, and I will look into it in the future, if anyone else is also interested in hearing the results, just let me know.

I and Noel are at the moment cleaning up the rests of Koos' mess, and are trying to start a new life. I will be returning to San Francisco Bay Area, Noel will be staring a new life in Germany. Any support that you can give us, if emotional, or even physical, if by helpful contacts, or even financially, to help us through this time.

With love from

Me (Tulka) and Noel

Wow! If some Archangel hit and tried to restrain me, I'd cut off his friggin wings.

What was the outcome? His daughter's name is Freya, right? Did he kill his daughter?

Edit: Damn! That story is really twisted. Maybe his wife's name is Freya. 

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/...Xbg4XiABdc
Quote:.. I received severe physical beatings by Koos, and severe vulgar language shouted at me by Koos, for six to 24 hours at a time. This Koos justified by various means, for instance that I refused to see his viewpoint, or that I was being mind controlled by various people to not agree to him. I at that time accepted those physical beatings and vulgar language, because Koos made me believe, during and afterwards, that I was making it necessary for him to so called "restrain" me.
Does this seem 'normal' to everyone apart from me?
(Oct 13, 2019 01:05 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [ -> ]I've never heard about that one before. Crank Dot Net used to be popular but I think there's too many nowadays.  I found a letter from his wife.

[...]

Wow! If some Archangel hit and tried to retrain me, I'd cut off his friggin wings.

What was the outcome? His daughter's name is Freya, right? Did he kill his daughter?

Edit: Wow! That story is really twisted. Maybe his wife's name is Freya. 

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/...Xbg4XiABdc

To add to the confusion, here it's mentioned that Freya was the daughter. Those who go with the suicide view reference this protest, but one might wonder if a few of the folks in that thread have all their marbles together. Regardless, he was locked up in a German mental facility afterwards for two years. If he didn't drown her, then his domestic abuse surely contributed to that particular daughter taking her own life. Once he was released, he restored his "Ambassador For Mankind" website the way he wanted it and was posting all over usenet again. Has the twitter account now.

Koos' real name might have been "J------ N.", if the newspaper account of his arrest that a "flame warrior" FAQs site was quoting circa 19 years ago was ever legit. He was supposedly an OSA agent at one time before a rebellious rift formed between him and the Church.
(Oct 13, 2019 02:25 AM)confused2 Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:.. I received severe physical beatings by Koos, and severe vulgar language shouted at me by Koos, for six to 24 hours at a time. This Koos justified by various means, for instance that I refused to see his viewpoint, or that I was being mind controlled by various people to not agree to him. I at that time accepted those physical beatings and vulgar language, because Koos made me believe, during and afterwards, that I was making it necessary for him to so called "restrain" me.
Does this seem 'normal' to everyone apart from me?

Of course not. Well, I don't know. This part might seem normal to Syne.  Big Grin

Quote:This Koos justified by various means, for instance that I refused to see his viewpoint, or that I was being mind controlled by various people to not agree to him.

Oh, BTW, that was funny. Good one, C2.
SS Wrote:This part might seem normal to Syne.
The worrying thing is that people can (and do) go down rabbit holes that look totally absurd to a *sane observer.
*I'm not implicitly claiming to be sane - just making a point.
(Oct 13, 2019 02:46 AM)confused2 Wrote: [ -> ]
SS Wrote:This part might seem normal to Syne.
The worrying thing is that people can (and do) go down rabbit holes that look totally absurd to a *sane observer.
*I'm not implicitly claiming to be sane - just making a point.

Anyone can be pushed to their limits, C2, even sane observers, but in most of the crank cases that I’ve seen, grandiosity was present. It’s a huge defense mechanism. It’s nothing to laugh at, of course, but you can certainly see how religion can be a double-edged sword.
(Oct 13, 2019 12:03 AM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]
(Oct 12, 2019 10:36 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]
(Oct 12, 2019 05:17 AM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]What I find curious about ''followers'' of Peterson, is this knee-jerk, angry defense many of them snap into, when anyone dares to criticize him. As if they're related to him or his best friend. I'm rather neutral on the guy; he seems at first to be a self-help guru who is innocently well-meaning when it comes to male ''empowerment,'' but when you explore a bit deeper, his opinions of women seem sexist and somewhat confusing. That said, he's entitled to his opinions, but it is just something I've picked up on in observing his fans.

Peterson has genuinely helped a lot of people improve their lives, and they have seen countless people outright lie about, if not just naively misinterpret, him. It's like having someone save your life, and even if you don't really know them personally, you'd naturally be very defensive if anyone attacked them. Just by dent of the positive impact they've had on your life. For me, even though I haven't benefited from Peterson's advice, I defend anything that helps people, like I defend Christianity while not being a Christian. And you have to wonder about people who want to tear down something/someone that helps people. Just because they disagree, they seem to think that no one should have the opportunity to improve their lives by that means. That seems narrow-minded and even malicious.

Just because you, personally, think something may be sexist, why do you feel the need to criticize it? Do his views have an actual, negative impact on your personal life? Or are you just willing to bash something that helps others just because you disagree?
I can comment on anything I want lol Again, I stated that I’m neutral about him but have observed certain things about his fan base. Just because you respect something or someone doesn’t mean everyone will understand why you do. And I don’t disrespect all of his ideas, but I question some of his motives. He brings up negative points about women too often to be a guy simply concerned with helping men be their best selves. It’s no different than a feminist who slips in a few negative slurs about men in order to “empower” women.

I believe in God but I don’t insult people who don’t believe in him. You feel the need to insult me and SS and anyone who dares to utter a negative word about Peterson. *shrug*
Yes, you can comment on anything you want...and so can other people. So whining about the reaction is hypocritical. That's part of expressing your views publicly.

If, like here, you make a lot of claims without actually quoting Peterson, you're not giving anyone a chance to determine if your opinion is valid for themselves. In which case, they will make assumptions about where you're getting your info. That's on you. Just because you're not aware of the evolutionary psychology behind certain behaviors doesn't make them negative. See, you even compare what he's said to "slurs", which you've never come close to showing from Peterson.

If you think not accepting unsupported claims and misinterpretations is insulting, you might not be cut out for posting things publicly online. Rolleyes



(Oct 13, 2019 12:35 AM)confused2 Wrote: [ -> ]
Syne Wrote:Peterson has genuinely helped a lot of people improve their lives
Just from the last few posts it does seem like Peterson has the qualities of a charismatic leader. Examples of charismatic leaders include Hitler, Charles Manson, Mohamed, Attila the Hun, Greta Thunberg and Martin Luther King.  Just because someone is a charismatic leader doesn't necessarily make them 'a good thing'.  The followers of charismatic leaders have (by definition) suspended judgement in favour of 'something'. I think it absolutely reasonable to try to find out what people are suspending judgement in favour of without making the assumption that it is a good thing.
Of course. But then not all charismatic leaders actually improve the lives of others. And I wouldn't even consider Peterson to be charismatic. He comes across as a typical academic.



(Oct 13, 2019 02:38 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [ -> ]
(Oct 13, 2019 02:25 AM)confused2 Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:.. I received severe physical beatings by Koos, and severe vulgar language shouted at me by Koos, for six to 24 hours at a time. This Koos justified by various means, for instance that I refused to see his viewpoint, or that I was being mind controlled by various people to not agree to him. I at that time accepted those physical beatings and vulgar language, because Koos made me believe, during and afterwards, that I was making it necessary for him to so called "restrain" me.
Does this seem 'normal' to everyone apart from me?

Of course not. Well, I don't know. This part might seem normal to Syne.  Big Grin

No one wants to know about those fantasies of yours. Sick
SF is funny as of late. I peeked in to see a ''new'' member posting all of these outlandish claims lol Sock puppet account extraordinaire, imo. The giveaway I think, is when you see someone ''new'' post 50+ posts in less than 24 hours. lol
I've just found out that my life has been wasted - I should have been doing this:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50167812
(Oct 24, 2019 05:12 PM)confused2 Wrote: [ -> ]I've just found out that my life has been wasted - I should have been doing this:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50167812

What? Learn how to drive? Well, it's not too late, C2, but I doubt that it will reduce your stress level. They need to test those rats in traffic.  Wink