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"Washington (CNN) The somber President Donald Trump of Monday's press conference bore little resemblance to the Trump who had relentlessly played down the coronavirus over the previous two months.

Trump was asked Tuesday about his change in tone. He responded by claiming that his tone hadn't changed much at all.

"I mean, I have seen that, where people actually liked it. But I didn't feel different," he said at a White House press briefing. "I've always known, this is a real -- this is a real -- this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic. All you had to do was look at other countries...no, I've always viewed it as very serious. It was no difference yesterday from days before. I feel the tone is similar, but some people said it wasn't."

This was another of Trump's brazen attempts to rewrite a history that played out in public view.

Facts First: From January until last week, Trump consistently minimized the risk the coronavirus posed to the country. He claimed to have the virus under "control," that the number of US cases would go "down, not up," that the virus might "disappear" through a "miracle" or something of the sort, that the virus might well vanish by April with the warmer weather, that the media and Democrats were overhyping the situation, and that "this is their new hoax," leaving it unclear whether he was calling the virus itself a hoax. (He later said he was talking about Democrats' coronavirus-related criticism, not the virus.)

On Monday, Trump acknowledged that the situation is "bad," that the virus is not under control, that the country might well be heading into a recession, and that American life would not get back to normal for months. He had not made such statements before.

Trump has pointed to his late-January decision to restrict travel from China as evidence that he had always considered the situation "urgent." But he certainly had not clearly communicated that he felt such urgency.

Prior to the World Health Organization's official pandemic declaration on March 11, Trump had never told Americans that he viewed the situation as a potential pandemic. When he was asked by CNBC in an interview that aired January 22 if there were worries about a pandemic, he responded, "No. Not at all. And -- we're -- we have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's going to be just fine."

On March 9, Trump tweeted, "So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!" On March 10, the day before the WHO's pandemic declaration, Trump said, "And we're prepared, and we're doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."

He added: "It's really working out. And a lot of good things are going to happen."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/politics/...index.html
(Mar 18, 2020 11:39 PM)C C Wrote: [ -> ]
(Mar 18, 2020 10:03 PM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]What to believe. Do you feel that Trump acted recklessly when first hearing about COVID19 or do you believe that we couldn't have possibly known what we now know, then?


He played it down hysteria-wise in the beginning because it was anticipated to wreck the economy he was riding on, as well as COVID-19 being cheered on by media and opponents as what would finally be his downfall in re-election.

But after all the other "political disasters" that were supposed to undo him failed, they still haven't learned that Trump and his talking heads are incrementally remolding this one into an opportunity. Rather than being blamed for virus apathy he'll soon be a champion of the other side's own overprotective propaganda via justification of rescuing civilization from collapse. 

Yang has been in touch with White House intermediaries as they consider quasi-temporary basic income. Trump has always been a pragmatist rather than a conservative (he's donated money to Dems in the past), so no surprise that's even on the table for strategy considerations. Romney was making introductory gesticulations of the same ilk.

What are we calling ''the beginning?'' If we're referring to January, I found this article https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51353279

Here is a piece from it:

What measures has the US taken?
On 23 January, the US ordered the departure of all non-emergency US personnel and their family members from the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, where the virus originated.

Less than a week later, the US allowed for the voluntary departure of non-emergency personnel and relatives of US government employees from China.

On 30 January, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared a global health emergency over the new virus.

Following this, the US ordered the departure of all US personnel family members under the age of 21 in China.

Any US citizen who has been in Hubei province will be subject to 14 days' quarantine upon returning to the US.



Speaking of COVID19, even my simple, lil Bible study group was canceled for next week.   Undecided (I had reserved a room at my community's clubhouse) We might conduct the next meeting over Skype...not sure. The good news is, I have about ten people now who are interested.

As an aside, I just have to say this...I think it's really challenging to have genuine conversations about Trump, with anyone. It seems that people either hate or love him, and they can't examine facts surrounding him, for what they are. If they hate him, then the ''facts'' will always be a little skewed in their favor, if they love him, they see him as a political Messiah. I'm not a Trump lover, but before all of this, he seemed to have some decent policies. But, he's flawed, definitely. I just don't know why there are so many conflicting media stories about this guy.

The thought of Biden stepping in as President during a possible recession... is beyond frightening. Be careful what you wish for, everyone.  Confused
(Mar 18, 2020 11:50 PM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]
(Mar 18, 2020 11:39 PM)C C Wrote: [ -> ]
(Mar 18, 2020 10:03 PM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]What to believe. Do you feel that Trump acted recklessly when first hearing about COVID19 or do you believe that we couldn't have possibly known what we now know, then?


He played it down hysteria-wise in the beginning because it was anticipated to wreck the economy he was riding on, as well as COVID-19 being cheered on by media and opponents as what would finally be his downfall in re-election.

But after all the other "political disasters" that were supposed to undo him failed, they still haven't learned that Trump and his talking heads are incrementally remolding this one into an opportunity. Rather than being blamed for virus apathy he'll soon be a champion of the other side's own overprotective propaganda via justification of rescuing civilization from collapse. 

Yang has been in touch with White House intermediaries as they consider quasi-temporary basic income. Trump has always been a pragmatist rather than a conservative (he's donated money to Dems in the past), so no surprise that's even on the table for strategy considerations. Romney was making introductory gesticulations of the same ilk.

What are we calling ''the beginning?'' If we're referring to January, I found this article https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51353279

Here is a piece from it:

What measures has the US taken?
On 23 January, the US ordered the departure of all non-emergency US personnel and their family members from the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, where the virus originated.

Less than a week later, the US allowed for the voluntary departure of non-emergency personnel and relatives of US government employees from China.

On 30 January, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared a global health emergency over the new virus.

Following this, the US ordered the departure of all US personnel family members under the age of 21 in China.

Any US citizen who has been in Hubei province will be subject to 14 days' quarantine upon returning to the US.


Doesn't matter what the US government did or didn't do. As MR's piece implies, judgements were based on Trump's comments rather than actions by departments and agencies. A reverse Sticks and Stones mindset applies in the 21st-century. One could provide housing for a million homeless and reputation all goes down the drain from one careless remark about the homeless.
Fifty some odd, or so, Congressional Democrats urged Trump, and are now lauding him, for enacting the presidential war time powers. One week ago, this would have been touted as him making a power grab. So maybe it's dire enough to get some people to pull their heads out of their asses.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trumps...ronavirus/

Wow, just wow. Okay, I guess I didn't realize this.

This is really sad. Why minimize something that turned out to be so tragic?  Sad
Why panic people, and markets, before a need to? We would have had the market crash and running out of stock on things at the grocery store months earlier...but without any better handle on the epidemic than we currently have. Government can only do so much in a free country without justification people can see for themselves.
Yea, I guess. From where it all stands now, I think Trump is doing the best he can. I'm not sure honestly, if reacting sooner would have made sense. But, for him to say that ''we have it under control,'' and ''it's going to disappear soon,'' seemed reckless and frankly, completely untrue. It's one thing to not want the public to panic, it's another to outright lie about something that he really didn't know enough about, at that time.

I'm still amazed that this pandemic is destroying our economy -- people are losing their jobs, fighting over toilet paper in the grocery stores, supply chains being taxed, stock market plummeting, etc. It's like ...why are we so unprepared in 2020?? We, meaning the US. In a matter of a few weeks, the entire country is shutting down over a virus? I just can't wrap my head around this right now, especially when thousands of people die every year from the flu. I understand that SARS aspect, but still.

It also points to how unprepared many businesses (small and large) are when it comes to disaster planning. Companies shouldn't be going out of business after two to three weeks of business interruption, when you think about it. So, it stands to reason that many businesses, simply don't save enough money for a rainy day. I can see if you're a newly formed small business or restaurant, and starts ups often fail in the first year. But, large corporations already laying off employees? The companies that will survive this will emerge even stronger than before, I predict.
(Mar 19, 2020 04:35 AM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ][...] I'm still amazed that this pandemic is destroying our economy -- people are losing their jobs, fighting over toilet paper in the grocery stores, supply chains being taxed, stock market plummeting, etc. It's like ...why are we so unprepared in 2020?? We, meaning the US. In a matter of a few weeks, the entire country is shutting down over a virus? I just can't wrap my head around this right now...

Who knows, it might be educational for the DSA or the AOC generation to finally get a glimpse first hand of what life in Venezuela is like. Wink

(AOC = Angry Objections to Capitalism)

https://www.scivillage.com/thread-8261-p...l#pid35048
(Okay this is a little bit of a rant, but it's based on the overall concerns of the underhanded activities that people seem to be oblivious to)

The economy is purposely put into a nose dive. Any excuse to manipulate turbulence and reduce the value of shares within companies is exactly what falls into the "Vulture Culture" bracket. For the most part these (should be tarred and feathered) fiends aren't necessarily legitimate entrepreneurs (More like war criminals) get to increase their wealth and power exponential as hysteria throws people into a panicked state.

For instance there is the concern of price dumping in business where a company might over produce a stock to sell at a low price to undermine their competitors, is the same kind of thing but in reverse with toilet paper. Namely buying all the toilet paper up which most don't consider to be a particular important commodity is still a way to create panic and hysteria without actually stealing food from peoples mouths. While it's a meme and a joke to the majority of people it does have in the long run serious implications.

Just note in 6 months time when this outbreak and situation is under control (it will take about that time), everyone is going to be much poorer for it and those already in power are going to be much richer (Robber Barons) and likely patting themselves on the back for a job well done.
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