Trump kept repeating Zelensky had no cards to play. Apparently he does. He just got a 2.8 billion dollar loan from Prime Minister Starmer.. Fuck Trump. Many are calling yesterday's meltdown meeting a set-up..Trump rudely ridicules Zelensky's clothing choice right when he meets him. Then he and Vance pounce on him, in front of live cameras, and create an excuse to get out of the deal. Trump then lies to the press that Zelensky had no respect for him and no appreciation for US aid. All part of his plan to get out of the deal and make Zelensky look bad.
(Mar 1, 2025 11:56 AM)confused2 Wrote: [ -> ]Syne Wrote:..and now [Zelensky] he's criticizing Trump to cozy up to European leftists.
Is Zelensky really criticizing Trump? There's Orange Truth which you make up and there's actual truth with some foundation in reality - which are you quoting?
"Quoting?" Where did you see a quote in that post? Just imagining things?
(Mar 1, 2025 02:48 PM)confused2 Wrote: [ -> ]Yazata Wrote:So it still looks like Zelensky holds no cards and sooner or later will be forced to negotiate. And Europe is going to have to begin to take primary responsibility for its own defense. Both of which are American objectives.
So the mineral deal was actually irrelevant except to give Trump either a bargaining chip with Putin or (as happened) a chance for Trump (and supporters) to claim Zelensky rejected an imaginary offer of help (to be made after the deal was signed).
Zelenskyy would have had to sign the minerals deal to be holding any cards. Instead, he pissed on the dealer.
And how would a US minerals deal with Ukraine benefit Russia? You know, aside from your fevered TDS.
Have you ever invested in or bought anything? (Honest question since you're a Brit.) If you have, did you then have zero interest in securing, maintaining, or growing that investment or property? If so, you like to piss away your money. Most people, with any resources at all, nurture and protect their investments.
Maybe Zelenskyy's just as ignorant as you.
(Mar 1, 2025 09:03 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Trump kept repeating Zelensky had no cards to play. Apparently he does. He just got a 2.8 billion dollar loan from Prime Minister Starmer.. Fuck Trump. Many are calling yesterday's meltdown meeting a set-up..Trump rudely ridicules Zelensky's clothing choice right when he meets him. Then he and Vance pounce on him, in front of live cameras, and create an excuse to get out of the deal. Trump then lies to the press that Zelensky had no respect for him and no appreciation for US aid. All part of his plan to get out of the deal and make Zelensky look bad.
LOL! You think 2.8 billion is a lot?
Since Russia's invasion, the United States has provided Ukraine with around $75 billion in military, financial and humanitarian aid. "Other NATO allies and partners have provided over $100 billion,"
- https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Storie...eterrence/
So 2.8 billion won't help them limp along for long. Just more subsistence funding to keep the war going indefinitely. Nowhere near enough for any kind of victory.
Quote:So 2.8 billion won't help them limp along for long.
Sounds like you're counting on that. He's got many other countries he can rely on for funds. The EU has already provided 138 billion in aid. That's more than Donny Dumbass has provided.
(Mar 1, 2025 09:15 AM)stryder Wrote: [ -> ] (Mar 1, 2025 01:45 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]No, this is Zelenskyy biting the hand that's been feeding him. Again, he continues to act like a spoiled child. And you seem to be projecting that selfishness on Trump. Who do you think care more about Ukrainian lives? The guy forcing them into the meat grinder or the guy seeking peace? Trump isn't, but the US is certainly the center of the world. Only a moron would try to dispute that. What Zelenskyy wants, without any leverage, is what's out of step with reality.
Rest assured, the US has exactly who they voted for. Just because you can't fathom actual geopolitical realities doesn't mean Americans are similarly impaired. And really? You're going to fault a guy for speaking off the cuff? That's rich coming from you.
Zelenskyy acted like a spoiled brat with Biden too. Biden gave him so much, but he still went to the press complaining about what he didn't get... as a beggar with his hand out. Zelenskyy with continue to "do for Ukraine" until every able bodied man is dead. He has no plan on how to end this war, other than begging everyone else to just give him exactly what he wants.
No one treated him like anything but a man. You don't put up with a grown man insulting the people he's seeking help from.
Personally, I think Zelenskyy has short man syndrome.
No Syne, it was a bit more complicated than that.
First off Both Macron and Starmer had their visits BEFOREHAND! They didn't set the visits up for afterwards, because Trump and his knew that if the shit they intended to play was going to go down, it would cause problems with the other visits/vistors which they wanted to go off without a hitch to play to the home audience.
Zelenskyy's visit had him first asked a question and then Vance rudely interjects. The game plan there from Trump/Vances position was to undermine Zelenskyy from appealing to the home audience for more help or support, thus the reason for them raising their voices and shouting him down. While it is true that the Whitehouse was hosting and therefore the host should be respected, the host should not put someone on a virtual podium and ask them a can of worms question just to then shout them down and deny them, as doing so just shows the host as duplicitous.
It does prove the point about PSYOPS being used on the "Allies" of the US. which shouldn't go missed.
Your TDS imagination is running wild. Why would Trump's meetings with Starmer & Macron be all about their help in the upcoming peace deal if no such deal was in the works? And why would the Zelenskyy meeting spoil those two BEFORE but not AFTER? Certainly those two world leaders would be just as put off by it (or not), no matter what order the meetings occurred in. It's not just Trump signed any deals with Starmer or Macron.
If you think nice meetings with Starmer and Macron means anything to most Americans, you have an overinflated sense of their importance. If anything, it was grating that Trump seemed to get on so well with such leftists. Your memory seems to have selectively edited out the first 40 minutes of that meeting, where Zelenskyy blamed the US for the Russian invasion and criticize US diplomacy BEFORE anyone raised their voices. Get that? He criticized diplomacy right BEFORE things got undiplomatic. IOW, whether he was smart enough to realize it or not, he was asking for it.
No one asked Zelenskyy anything that he couldn't have answered diplomatically... if he were capable of doing so. That failure is his own.
Soooooo telling all these people who won't touch Biden's similar trouble with Zelenskyy.
(Mar 2, 2025 04:49 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:So 2.8 billion won't help them limp along for long.
Sounds like you're counting on that. He's got many other countries he can rely on for funds. The EU has already provided 138 billion in aid. That's more than Donny Dumbass has provided.
Just a simple fact. All these people demanding Zelenskyy get is way seem to be allergic to the reality of the situation.
The 75 billion was given under bumbling Biden, and the EU has far more incentive to use Ukraine to wear Russia down in a mutual war of attrition... which Ukraine cannot win without an injection of foreign troops (not just peacekeepers)... at a bare minimum.
So an actor playing to the camera, instead of engaging the people in the room.
How is merely looking into the camera playing anything? The only one playing for the camera is the ranting red-faced manbaby beside him.
He's an actor, who is trained to not look at the camera.. unless you're playing to it. Pretty simple to puts those together.
Quote:He's an actor, who is trained to not look at the camera.. unless you're playing to it.
When you look at the camera, or the audience, you are no longer playing to it. You are now NOT playing to it and now being WITH the camera or audience, asking them a question as it were, like, "Can you believe this idiot?"
The audience is the room full of reporters. The camera is an inanimate object that you play to... as the actor he is.
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