Russian Ukraine Invasion

If you believe those morons, you're even more of an idiot.

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(Feb 28, 2025 10:55 PM)stryder Wrote: Trump is trying to be a 1970's oil mogul in an age that is trying to go beyond it. In that particular mindset he's only concerned about himself and the circles that circulate around him where he's the centre. The problem is that he isn't actually the centre of the world, so his activities have been completely out of step with reality.

I'm beginning to question if the US has the leader they voted for or just a guy running a Chatbot to make all the worldly decisions of office (it would explain why his "truths" tend to be filled with holes and those around him never want to supply any fact checking to it). If that is the case, then literally anyone could do the job.

Zelensky has had his whole country under attack for the past 3 years by no less Russia. He's going to be suffering war weariness, jet lag, PTSD and just the knowledge of having to deal with Trump directly. Tempers would flair, I would expect the same occured often with Allied Command during WWII with so many commanders upsetting each other through their approaches.

Trump says he's doing what he does for America... well Zelensky is doing what he does for Ukraine (further to that he's also doing it Europe which should of Article 4'd a number of times over Russian operations in Europe).

Do people generally want peace? The answer is yes.... it's just how you go about getting it is the problem. Pulling Zelensky into an office and treating him like a pet monkey to do tricks for the camera wasn't going to go down well generally.

Will Trump try the same with Putin? or is he too much in love with the guy.

No, this is Zelenskyy biting the hand that's been feeding him. Again, he continues to act like a spoiled child. And you seem to be projecting that selfishness on Trump. Who do you think care more about Ukrainian lives? The guy forcing them into the meat grinder or the guy seeking peace? Trump isn't, but the US is certainly the center of the world. Only a moron would try to dispute that. What Zelenskyy wants, without any leverage, is what's out of step with reality.

Rest assured, the US has exactly who they voted for. Just because you can't fathom actual geopolitical realities doesn't mean Americans are similarly impaired. And really? You're going to fault a guy for speaking off the cuff? That's rich coming from you.

Zelenskyy acted like a spoiled brat with Biden too. Biden gave him so much, but he still went to the press complaining about what he didn't get... as a beggar with his hand out. Zelenskyy with continue to "do for Ukraine" until every able bodied man is dead. He has no plan on how to end this war, other than begging everyone else to just give him exactly what he wants.

No one treated him like anything but a man. You don't put up with a grown man insulting the people he's seeking help from.
Personally, I think Zelenskyy has short man syndrome.

That you repeatedly and rather strangely refer to Zelensky as "a spoiled child" exposes your baseless contempt for him as a grown man and as the courageous leader of his nation. You are like a robot programmed to mindlessly imitate everything Trump does and says. "Trump hates him so I'll hate him too." But you really have no reason to hate him other than that Trump hates him for his own personal reasons. Hence the juvenile name-calling and immature belittling. "THAT's why I hate him! Because he is a little man and spoiled child!" lol!

Quit projecting. I know that when people agree you assume it must be because someone influenced them... because that's how you work. But actual adults form their opinions for their own reasons, independent of the opinions of others. That my take that Zelenskyy is a spoiled child is "strange" to you means you haven't heard it elsewhere. Hence my own opinion.

Like leftists funding charity with the taxes of others, it is not generous nor courageous to sacrifice nothing yourself while demanding others pay the price.
Again, Biden even had the same trouble with Zelenskyy. If two people, on diametric political sides, have the same problem with the same person, the common factor is that person. Notice how you don't have the intellectual honesty to touch Biden's trouble with Zelenskyy. You're just projecting that you get all your political opinions from the likes of Rachel Maddow.

But, to be charitable, maybe Zelenskyy thinks he's gotten all he can out of America, and now he's criticizing Trump to cozy up to European leftists. If so, that's a bad strategy. Europe doesn't have any leverage with Russia. At best, Ukraine can join the EU, but that's on the table with the US negotiating as well. And Europe has only started warming to sending "peacekeepers" since Trump laid out a plan to stop the war. Which means Europe doesn't have any interest in fighting a war.

So maybe Zelenskyy's not a spoiled man-child. Maybe he's just stupid and short-sighted.

The mere fact that you have to resort to Biden of all people, someone you have no respect for, to rationally justify your hatred for Zelensky shows how little reason you have to dislike the man. And to say he hasn't sacrificed anything for a war he has been fighting for 3 years resulting in the destruction of his homeland, the displacement of millions, and around 300,000 deaths of his own people is just pathetic. You pretty much just spit out whatever tripe you have to to justify the orange bozo. You've basically lost all ability to think and judge for yourself..

I guess you're unaware of the simple fact that when two complete opposites have trouble with the same person, the common factor is that person. Trump and Biden sure don't have any commonalities.

All you can do at this point is babble on, uselessly trying to quell the cognitive dissonance that causes you.

(Mar 1, 2025 01:45 AM)Syne Wrote: If you believe those morons, you're even more of an idiot.

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(Feb 28, 2025 10:55 PM)stryder Wrote: Trump is trying to be a 1970's oil mogul in an age that is trying to go beyond it. In that particular mindset he's only concerned about himself and the circles that circulate around him where he's the centre. The problem is that he isn't actually the centre of the world, so his activities have been completely out of step with reality.

I'm beginning to question if the US has the leader they voted for or just a guy running a Chatbot to make all the worldly decisions of office (it would explain why his "truths" tend to be filled with holes and those around him never want to supply any fact checking to it). If that is the case, then literally anyone could do the job.

Zelensky has had his whole country under attack for the past 3 years by no less Russia. He's going to be suffering war weariness, jet lag, PTSD and just the knowledge of having to deal with Trump directly. Tempers would flair, I would expect the same occured often with Allied Command during WWII with so many commanders upsetting each other through their approaches.

Trump says he's doing what he does for America... well Zelensky is doing what he does for Ukraine (further to that he's also doing it Europe which should of Article 4'd a number of times over Russian operations in Europe).

Do people generally want peace? The answer is yes.... it's just how you go about getting it is the problem. Pulling Zelensky into an office and treating him like a pet monkey to do tricks for the camera wasn't going to go down well generally.

Will Trump try the same with Putin? or is he too much in love with the guy.

No, this is Zelenskyy biting the hand that's been feeding him. Again, he continues to act like a spoiled child. And you seem to be projecting that selfishness on Trump. Who do you think care more about Ukrainian lives? The guy forcing them into the meat grinder or the guy seeking peace? Trump isn't, but the US is certainly the center of the world. Only a moron would try to dispute that. What Zelenskyy wants, without any leverage, is what's out of step with reality.

Rest assured, the US has exactly who they voted for. Just because you can't fathom actual geopolitical realities doesn't mean Americans are similarly impaired. And really? You're going to fault a guy for speaking off the cuff? That's rich coming from you.

Zelenskyy acted like a spoiled brat with Biden too. Biden gave him so much, but he still went to the press complaining about what he didn't get... as a beggar with his hand out. Zelenskyy with continue to "do for Ukraine" until every able bodied man is dead. He has no plan on how to end this war, other than begging everyone else to just give him exactly what he wants.

No one treated him like anything but a man. You don't put up with a grown man insulting the people he's seeking help from.
Personally, I think Zelenskyy has short man syndrome.

No Syne, it was a bit more complicated than that.

First off Both Macron and Starmer had their visits BEFOREHAND! They didn't set the visits up for afterwards, because Trump and his knew that if the shit they intended to play was going to go down, it would cause problems with the other visits/vistors which they wanted to go off without a hitch to play to the home audience.

Zelenskyy's visit had him first asked a question and then Vance rudely interjects. The game plan there from Trump/Vances position was to undermine Zelenskyy from appealing to the home audience for more help or support, thus the reason for them raising their voices and shouting him down. While it is true that the Whitehouse was hosting and therefore the host should be respected, the host should not put someone on a virtual podium and ask them a can of worms question just to then shout them down and deny them, as doing so just shows the host as duplicitous.

It does prove the point about PSYOPS being used on the "Allies" of the US. which shouldn't go missed.

Zelensky's aircraft has departed Joint Base Andrews outside Washington DC, headed east to London Stanstead. A conference is being hastily organized in London for Sunday with European NATO leaders.

It will be very interesting to see what happens at that conference.

What will Zelensky's position be? Probably repudiation of any diplomatic solution, except on Ukrainian terms. Russia will never agree to that, so it presumably would have to be imposed on Russia by force of arms. But Ukraine lacks the ability to do that.

And what will the Europeans offer him? They are all frantically virtue-signalling their unconditional support, but will they be willing to offer anything more tangible than posturing? They have already transfered all the military equipment that their own underfunded militaries can spare. Will any European country actually send troops to go to war against Russia alongside Ukraine? The chance of that approaches zero.

So it still looks like Zelensky holds no cards and sooner or later will be forced to negotiate. And Europe is going to have to begin to take primary responsibility for its own defense. Both of which are American objectives.

Syne Wrote:..and now [Zelensky] he's criticizing Trump to cozy up to European leftists.

Is Zelensky really criticizing Trump? There's Orange Truth which you make up and there's actual truth with some foundation in reality - which are you quoting?
To a normal (non-Orange) person the fact that the true nature of a contract will only become clear after the contract is signed .. is going to look like a contract best left unsigned.

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The BBC reports:

Quote:He [Zelensky] adds that Ukraine is "very grateful" to the United States for all the support, especially during the three years of full-scale invasion, and gives his thanks to President Trump.

Yazata Wrote:So it still looks like Zelensky holds no cards and sooner or later will be forced to negotiate. And Europe is going to have to begin to take primary responsibility for its own defense. Both of which are American objectives.

So the mineral deal was actually irrelevant except to give Trump either a bargaining chip with Putin or (as happened) a chance for Trump (and supporters) to claim Zelensky rejected an imaginary offer of help (to be made after the deal was signed).