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When you think about it....Why put young conscripts on the front line if all they'll end up being is cannon fodder? Take reservists 50-60 yrs and sacrifice them instead. Makes no sense to have the young killed off in some glorious strategic retreat, keep them in the rear and give them proper training so they're ready for a push or attack should it occur.

(Oct 7, 2022 04:01 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: [ -> ]When you think about it....Why put young conscripts on the front line if all they'll end up being is cannon fodder? Take reservists 50-60 yrs and sacrifice them instead. Makes no sense to have the young killed off in some glorious strategic retreat, keep them in the rear and give them proper training so they're ready for a push or attack should it occur.

& who are the people that hold all the skills and technical knowledge that needs to be passed on to the next generation ?
LoL
the 50 to 60 year olds need to be training the 20 year olds

its a total cluster fuck

cronyism nepotism classism & massive corruption is what the military and leadership is built on.
all their institutions are massively corrupt from police to military to bureaucrats.

UPDATE
this is Artur, i really like him
Densy & Artur are my favs
Artur has been sick for the last week, hopefully he is better now.
im thinking of buying one of his mugs to help support him.
youtube have de-monetized Densy content & brought in strict new rules banning combat footage(which i strongly disagree with)

(Oct 7, 2022 04:01 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: [ -> ]When you think about it....Why put young conscripts on the front line if all they'll end up being is cannon fodder? Take reservists 50-60 yrs and sacrifice them instead. Makes no sense to have the young killed off in some glorious strategic retreat, keep them in the rear and give them proper training so they're ready for a push or attack should it occur.

I'm not a pundit or a military professional, but here's what I would do if I was in charge of the Russian military.

I'm inclined to think that if the Russians were smart, they would concentrate on simply holding as much territory as they can during the winter months that will soon arrive, when fighting bogs down.

Meanwhile, give the new draftees humane conditions, and more importantly, training that's at least as good as Ukrainian draftees are getting.

Then rotate several hundred thousand new troops into units next spring, when they have become something closer to soldiers.

Have inspectors general go through the Russian army and try to identify all the supplies that exist only on paper, after various military officers pocketed the funds. I'm thinking of those million uniforms that supposedly fill warehouses, but were found to not exist.

Find out who was responsible for the corruption and have some public executions.

There probably need to be wholesale replacements of top generals. The tactics and planning for this war have been terrible, so don't double down by keeping these same people in command. Fire them and in the worst cases court-martial them for incompetence. Give battlefield promotions to lower level officers who have particularly distinguished themselves for creative leadership in combat. In that way, get rid of all the desk-jockeys, the military bureaucrats at the top and bring in some real war fighters.

Russia still has the second or third largest air force on earth, so get it more active and overhaul its coordination with ground forces (which has been absolutely terrible).

The Russians would have to withstand Ukrainian gains for the next six months or so, so emphasize slowing those advances while preserving as many men and equipment as possible. Emphasize artillery and other areas where Russia has a huge numerical advantage. Then plan for a spring offensive.

If I was Putin, I wouldn't trust anything my generals and my spies tell me. Everything they've said so far has been wrong: Russia's military is prepared, the Ukrainians are weak, most Ukrainians are pro-Russian and a war will be over in a two weeks with minimal casualties. As long as Putin believes these people, he will be in fantasy-land. I'd ignore the generals and the siloviki and bring in midlevel people from the military and the intelligence agencies and ask them what's really going on.

That's my layman's prescription.

Quote:. the 50 to 60 year olds need to be training the 20 year olds

I’m suggesting the 50-60 yr olds that couldn’t potty train a two year old. Don’t think Russian brass want anything like training for trench warfare when the Germans have Stukas, Panzers and Blitzkrieg.

Yaz… Good points. Russian winter has a successful war history for sure. Nice weapon to have. Just watching Russian troops gathered in Donetsk for Vlad’s b-day today. They looked a bit fidgety like something may fall from the sky…lol Still a formidable force by the look of it.

(Oct 7, 2022 08:21 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: [ -> ]UPDATE
this is Artur, i really like him
Densy & Artur are my favs
Artur has been sick for the last week, hopefully he is better now.
im thinking of buying one of his mugs to help support him.
youtube have de-monetized Densy content & brought in strict new rules banning combat footage(which i strongly disagree with)

I like them too. I subscribed to Denys' channel when you said YT demonetized him. I guess I should find some way to send him a donation since I like his videos. Guess I will have to subscribe to Artur too.

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if i were the russians i would withdraw all my military from Ukraine and ask for a seat at the negotiating table to help settle the bill for re building everything that was smashed & cooperate fully with the war crimes investigations
and i  would re build the entire military from the ground up copying NATO style & send in food & water aid convoys to Ukrainian towns and villages in arrangement with the Ukrainian army.

Putin doesn't want to negotiate he just wants to conquer in the name of reclaiming ukraine as russia
so the war is not going to end until he is gone.

the only real solution is to grind russia into the ground with sanctions until they decide its not worth it anymore and withdraw as Ukraine pound their fresh dumb meat into sausage meat and when russian people decide they have lost enough of their young men and technical workers and intellectuals and culture they will demand putin resigns and the war to end.
only russia can solve russias problem, they have chosen a suicide path of tyranny depravity and death
when they have had enough they will choose to demand change & then peace can come back to ukraine & europe, and eventually in time russia in what ever form & remnant is left of it.

Big news: The Ukrainians appear to have hit the Kerch Bridge, across the mouth of the Sea of Azov, connecting Crimea with Russia proper.

It would require long range artillery rockets to do this, something like ATACMS, which the Ukrainians supposedly don't have, but apparently do.

The road portion appears to be completely collapsed, and it looks like one or two fuel tank cars on a freight train that was on the adjoining railway portion have caught fire and are leaking badly.

It will be interesting to see what the Russian response to this is.

happy birthday vlad the invader

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Kerch bridge fire: Blaze erupts on only bridge linking Crimea to Russia


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63183404


burn baby burn
i hope it melts the rail bridge

a better side view of the bridge

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/stat...1473153024

and a different new view of the bridge being blown up