Article The proposed "real reason" that Israel attacked Iran

[Magical Realist]

Of course I root for the underdog, defined as the ones who are being oppressed and dehumanized and hated and eradicated by the superior powers. It's a cause as old as time itself, and ironically one the Jews themselves should be uniquely sympathetic with considering their own history of being persecuted underdogs for millennia now. That you see this advocacy as somehow morally wrong and even contemptible just exposes the degree of your unquestioned loyalty to the oppressive powers. You perpetuate the very hatred and mindless cheerleading that enables such genocidal actions to continue unabated. If you can't grasp the self-evident wrongness of stamping out a whole ethnicity because of the actions of one terrorist group, then you're already beyond hope. You might as well be a Holocaust denier, rejecting any evidence of Israel's campaign of genocide without even thinking as just conspiratorial propaganda.

"Being the underdog doesn’t mean you're doomed. It means you’ve got nothing to lose and everything to fight for."

[Syne]

No, that's just your leftist ideology you're mindlessly parroting.

You refuse to see Israel as the target of eradication, by every surrounding Muslim nation, because they are the more successful and powerful than any one of those nations, heedless of the obvious collective power imbalance. And you ignore that power imbalance because they are more successful in general (typical antisemitic trope), so they're damned either way. You can't wrap your tiny little head around the fact that the world isn't as black and white as the powerful always being the oppressor and the poor always being the virtuous. It's childish thinking that reduces complex issues to the simplistic matter of what team to root for... always the poorer underdog, regardless of any other facts. This proves your little tirade against me for what it is... simple projection. It's what evil people do when they sense their back is against the wall.

The Jews are uniquely sympathetic, which is why Palestine still exists and there is no actual attempt at genocide in Gaza. The only reason Hamas was even capable of the Oct 7th terrorist attack is because Israel has allowed Gaza to govern itself. The only reason 53 hostages remain in Gaza since Oct 2023 is because Israel has shown restraint in putting civilians in jeopardy. They didn't have to, just like they don't have to allow Muslim Arabs to live in Israel and even hold government office. Just like the many times they didn't have to give back land they took as buffer zones from nations that attacked them unprovoked.

That you refuse to see the constant onslaught Israel has endured exposes your unquestioning loyalty to leftist antisemitism. You'll just keep spouting critical theory regardless of the evils it forces you to openly defend. Again, because you have a personal vested interest in your own identity as an oppressed person and seek solidarity for affirmation. You perpetuate the very hatred and mindless cheerleading that enables the actual genocidal intent of Hamas, Iran, etc.. You just project that on who you're told is the power oppressor, again, because that affirms your own identity as oppressed.

No one is currently "stamping out a whole ethnicity," but antisemites have to make up such conspiracies to justify their unbridled hatred. That you have the gall to compare what Israel is doing to the Holocaust they suffered is beyond evil, you garbage piece of shit.


Since you seem to be avoiding this like the plague:

Meanwhile, Hamas is Killing Civilians Who Seek Food

While the war between Israel and Iran is drawing attention away from Gaza, it’s worth seeing what Hamas is doing: killing civilians who seek food.

The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) has been distributing food inside Gaza. Whether one views this as a bold experiment (as I do) or a terrible idea, it does bring food to Gaza and Gazans come out in the thousands to collect it. What is the Hamas response? To kill Gazans who need that food for their families.

Col. Richard Kemp, a retired British officer, told The Jerusalem Post that he visited one food distribution site and found the effort “brilliantly conceived and extremely well executed. They are feeding the people of Gaza until such time as it becomes unnecessary.”

But in incident after incident, people lining up for food have been shot and many others scared away. Hamas’s reasoning is simple: control of food is control of the population for Hamas, a source of power as well as cash (when it sells the food on the black market). If Gazans do not need Hamas to eat, its power is badly diminished.

The Palestinian Authority’s newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida wrote about this on June 19. Its editorial (translated by MEMRI, the Middle East Media Research Institute) stated that “numerous reports out of Gaza say that Hamas is killing many civilians looking for a sack of flour on the pretext that they are collaborating with the American food distribution centers!!.... Hamas has no choice but to set up death squads [to operate] against anyone who opposes its theft and tries to find a sack of flour outside its control and far from its black market... It is not only Israel that is creating this terrible reality; Hamas is complicit in this industry of death, hunting down the hungry with the death squads it calls Al-Sahm, in order to inform anyone who approaches [the distribution centers] that do not belong to Hamas that their only [fate] will be to fall victim to the arrows of the Al-Sahm Unit. This is the bitter reality: Hamas and its Al-Sahm Unit, which hunts down those who seek nothing but a crust of bread."

Proof for this editorial is offered in social media posts that accuse Hamas of precisely such killings. There are other accounts from the GHF itself, which reported that on June 11 that a bus carrying two dozen workers traveling to a distribution center was attacked by Hamas and eight killed. The Long War Journal and FDD have reported on such Hamas strikes, and Hamas itself has made clear threats.

Hamas’s motivation is equally clear: power and control. In those efforts to stop the food distribution, it has the support of various United Nations agencies including UNRWA. This will be no surprise in view of years of collaboration between UNRWA and Hamas, but it is no less shameful for that. Hamas reacts to accusations against it by its own accusations that such shootings are all the work of Israel. But Israel is supporting the GHF and trying to undermine Hamas’s control of food distribution. It has no motive for shooting Gazans lined up at GHF sites, and no explanation is ever offered for why it might be doing so. In fact, Hamas is also killing Gazans lining up at UN sites to get food, as MSNBC* reported after first falsely stating on June 20 that the killings were at a GHF site.

* MSNBC Issues On-Air Correction: Palestinians Were Killed Waiting for UN Aid, not GHF

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https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/swX1eY5RYaM

Seeing is believing, right? @_@

[Magical Realist]

You can't wrap your tiny little head around the fact that the world isn't as black and white as the powerful always being the oppressor and the poor always being the virtuous.

I'm realistic enough to know that while not every greater power is oppressive, every oppressive power is greater than the people it oppresses. This rule is true across the board, from the Nazis and the Jews, whites and blacks, heteros and gays, the US and Latino immigrants, Communist China and revolutionaries, and of course Israel and palestinians. It's how oppression even becomes possible to begin with.

It's childish thinking that reduces complex issues to the simplistic matter of what team to root for... always the poorer underdog, regardless of any other facts.

Yep..I always root for the underdog who is being oppressed by the greater power. That's the ethics of human rights. Clearly you lack a college education. You should study up on it sometime. Start here:

https://www.google.com/search?q=human+ri...3H4wc,st:0

That you refuse to see the constant onslaught Israel has endured exposes your unquestioning loyalty to leftist antisemitism.

LOL Careful there. You're starting to employ the so-called trope of the underdog to Israel themselves now, as being the innocent victim of constant onslaught and anti-semitism. Unfortunately its hard to rationally support that when it has the most powerful nation on earth on its side, state of the art military weaponry, and can basically bomb the shit out of surrounding countries willy nilly without fear of recourse.

Again, because you have a personal vested interest in your own identity as an oppressed person and seek solidarity for affirmation.

If you mean I understand the plight of all underdogs and minorities suffering oppression and dehumanization for who they are, then yes I do. Being one of those myself, I have a burden for the downtrodden and outcast and despised. You make it sound like a weakness. I see it as an invincible strength and insight into the suffering of others. You probably never felt empathy for the underdog in your whole life, being used to your privileged life of hatred and prejudice and xenophobia. That's why I don't really expect much from you ethically, as someone who might grasp the need to stand up for the weak and marginalized against the more powerful. That would actually require a moral backbone and a courage you clearly don't have.

The Jews are uniquely sympathetic, which is why Palestine still exists and there is no actual attempt at genocide in Gaza. The only reason Hamas was even capable of the Oct 7th terrorist attack is because Israel has allowed Gaza to govern itself. The only reason 53 hostages remain in Gaza since Oct 2023 is because Israel has shown restraint in putting civilians in jeopardy. They didn't have to, just like they don't have to allow Muslim Arabs to live in Israel and even hold government office.

Wow..so virtuous of Israel to allow people to coexist in their own country like every other democracy on earth does. Then why the need to confine them, all 2 million of them, in the Gaza strip in a third world country rife with poverty and starvation and disease? Why not work with them and try to help them improve their living conditions instead of bombing them and making them worse? That would actually have the effect over time of disempowering Hamas and its cause to the Palestinian people.

No one is currently "stamping out a whole ethnicity," but antisemites have to make up such conspiracies to justify their unbridled hatred.

Then what do you call the continued bombing and starvation of the whole Gaza population for nothing more than the act of Hamas holding 53 hostages? Why can't they just target Hamas and quit blaming Palestinians for their crimes? It's because to Israel the Palestinians are viewed as animals and need to be treated as such. It's part of their whole genocidal mindset--to dehumanize the people you are trying to exterminate. It's the same logic by which the Nazis killed Jews. And the only way to end it is by treating these poor people with the respect and dignity they deserve as human beings instead of as murderous terrorists. That's why all the nations and the UN support the palestinians and recognize Israel's actions in Gaza as war crimes that they will answer for in the international courts. It's a matter of universal human rights, something you seem largely and inexcuseably ignorant of.

[Syne]

As usual, MR's intellectual dishonesty just avoids what he can't refute:

You refuse to see Israel as the target of eradication, by every surrounding Muslim nation, because they are the more successful and powerful than any one of those nations, heedless of the obvious collective power imbalance. And you ignore that power imbalance because they are more successful in general (typical antisemitic trope), so they're damned either way.

Apparently he couldn't refute the simple fact that there are far fewer Jews than Muslims and that there are many Muslim nations seeking the genocide of Jews. Many nations, with far larger populations, against one. Simple-minded oppression-math just doesn't add up.

You can't wrap your tiny little head around the fact that the world isn't as black and white as the powerful always being the oppressor and the poor always being the virtuous.

I'm realistic enough to know that while not every greater power is oppressive, every oppressive power is greater than the people it oppresses. This rule is true across the board, from the Nazis and the Jews, whites and blacks, heteros and gays, the US and Latino immigrants, Communist China and revolutionaries, and of course Israel and palestinians. It's how oppression even becomes possible to begin with.

If not every greater power is oppressive, name some.
Otherwise, you're just lying about "not every," and your ideology is just black and white absolutism.

It's childish thinking that reduces complex issues to the simplistic matter of what team to root for... always the poorer underdog, regardless of any other facts.

Yep..I always root for the underdog who is being oppressed by the greater power. That's the ethics of human rights. Clearly you lack a college education. You should study up on it sometime.

Ideological absolutism. Just like I said. Childish thinking to reduce complex issues to the simplistic matter of what team to root for (your own words, dipshit). An antisemite lecturing others on human rights, what a hypocritical piece of shit.

That you refuse to see the constant onslaught Israel has endured exposes your unquestioning loyalty to leftist antisemitism.

LOL Careful there. You're starting to employ the so-called trope of the underdog to Israel themselves now, as being the innocent victim of constant onslaught and anti-semitism. Unfortunately its hard to rationally support that when it has the most powerful nation on earth on its side, state of the art military weaponry, and can basically bomb the shit out of surrounding countries willy nilly without fear of recourse.

No, it's just a fact of history. Israel has been forced to become so powerful just so it could survive the combined attacks of all its genocidal neighbors.
Learn some history.

Again, because you have a personal vested interest in your own identity as an oppressed person and seek solidarity for affirmation.

If you mean I understand the plight of all underdogs and minorities suffering oppression and dehumanization for who they are, then yes I do. Being one of those myself, I have a burden for the downtrodden and outcast and despised. You make it sound like a weakness. I see it as an invincible strength and insight into the suffering of others.

Exactly. You can't see the reality because you have a personal, emotional investment in your ideology of oppression. See, you even tout it as a great strength. That's how personally invested you are in that narrative.

You probably never felt empathy for the underdog in your whole life, being used to your privileged life of hatred and prejudice and xenophobia. That's why I don't really expect much from you ethically, as someone who might grasp the need to stand up for the weak and marginalized against the more powerful. That would actually require a moral backbone and a courage you clearly don't have. 

I've told you before, I've spend at least half of my life dirt poor and some of it even homeless, including in Portland. Your absolutist ideology just doesn't let you comprehend the simple fact that someone could personally know what it's like and still disagree with you. That's how brainwashed you are.

The Jews are uniquely sympathetic, which is why Palestine still exists and there is no actual attempt at genocide in Gaza. The only reason Hamas was even capable of the Oct 7th terrorist attack is because Israel has allowed Gaza to govern itself. The only reason 53 hostages remain in Gaza since Oct 2023 is because Israel has shown restraint in putting civilians in jeopardy. They didn't have to, just like they don't have to allow Muslim Arabs to live in Israel and even hold government office.

Wow..so virtuous of Israel to allow people to coexist in their own country like every other democracy on earth does. Then why the need to confine them, all 2 million of them, in the Gaza strip in a third world country rife with poverty and starvation and disease? Why not work with them and try to help them improve their living conditions instead of bombing them and making them worse? That would actually have the effect over time of disempowering Hamas and its cause to the Palestinian people. 

You mean like the ONLY democracy in the Middle East?
Moron, I'm talking about Arabs/Muslims IN ISRAEL. You're so ignorant of basic facts.
Again, no Muslim country will take Palestinian refugees, because they are seem as that dangerous... even to other Muslims.
Why won't those Muslim countries work with Palestinians?

No one is currently "stamping out a whole ethnicity," but antisemites have to make up such conspiracies to justify their unbridled hatred.

Then what do you call the continued bombing and starvation of the whole Gaza population for nothing more than the act of Hamas holding 53 hostages? Why can't they just target Hamas and quit blaming Palestinians for their crimes? It's because to Israel the Palestinians are viewed as animals and need to be treated as such. It's part of their whole genocidal mindset--to dehumanize the people you are trying to exterminate. It's the same logic by which the Nazis killed Jews. And the only way to end it is by treating these poor people with the respect and dignity they deserve as human beings instead of as murderous terrorists. That's why all the nations and the UN support the palestinians and recognize Israel's actions in Gaza as war crimes that they will answer for in the international courts. It's a matter of universal human rights, something you seem largely and inexcuseably ignorant of.

You just keep demanding that antisemitic lies are true. That's what makes you a willfully ignorant antisemite. You certainly keep repeating antisemitic tropes.
Hamas couldn't hide and keep holding hostages without being abetted by the Gaza population. Israel is targeting Hamas, but you'd rather believe antisemitic propaganda... even when shown it's a lie.

Again, why is EVERY Muslim nation afraid to take in Palestinians?

You're the one who made training kindergartners to be terrorists sound like a good thing. No wonder you can't fathom why EVERY Muslim nation is afraid of Palestinians and people treat them like terrorists. You're so morally bankrupt that you think terrorism is good.

[Magical Realist]

A concise history of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians and the Gaza Strip:

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-44124396

[Syne]

More evasions from MR. 9_9

[confused2]

I can't let my dog out of the cellar because he's insane. He's been insane ever since I locked him in the cellar.

[Syne]

Sounds like more terrorist apologetics.

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Here, I'll simplify the post MR was too chickenshit to reply to:

You refuse to see Israel as the target of eradication, by every surrounding Muslim nation, because they are the more successful and powerful than any one of those nations, heedless of the obvious collective power imbalance. And you ignore that power imbalance because they are more successful in general (typical antisemitic trope), so they're damned either way.

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Again, no Muslim country will take Palestinian refugees, because they are seen as that dangerous... even to other Muslims.
Why won't those Muslim countries work with Palestinians?
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Again, why is EVERY Muslim nation afraid to take in Palestinians?

You're the one who made training kindergartners to be terrorists sound like a good thing. No wonder you can't fathom why EVERY Muslim nation is afraid of Palestinians and people treat them like terrorists. You're so morally bankrupt that you think terrorism is good.

[Magical Realist]

Oooo...evil terrorist Palestinians. Why can't they just accept living in what is called "the world's largest open air prison"?

"The humanitarian situation in Gaza has deteriorated to its worst point since the war began in October 2023. The ongoing Israeli blockade and intensive military actions have led to widespread destruction of infrastructure, severe shortages of food, water, and medical supplies, and the displacement of nearly 2 million people. Hospitals are overwhelmed, operating under dire conditions with the healthcare system on the brink of collapse due to resource depletion and continuous, targeted attacks. The obstruction of aid and commercial entry by Israel has directly resulted in increased mortality rates and unnecessary suffering among the civilian population.

Israel’s consistent failure to address urgent humanitarian needs raises serious questions about its adherence to international humanitarian law and its obligations as an occupying power. Israel’s refusal to ensure unimpeded access for humanitarian aid, protect civilian infrastructure, and facilitate essential services has had a devastating impact on Gaza’s civilian population.

In response to these issues, the U.S. Secretaries of State and Defense issued a letter on October 13, 2024, demanding that Israel make progress on specific measures to improve the humanitarian situation within 30 days to avoid potential policy and legal repercussions. The letter and its list of concrete measures address many of the most essential challenges and roadblocks to improving the humanitarian situation in Gaza. However, they do not capture the full scope of Israeli actions and conflict dynamics that are preventing the delivery of aid and leading to a further deterioration of the conditions on the ground. The current situation in Northern Gaza is a case in point...

Israeli rights groups criticized the Israeli government for implementing the first stage of a so-called “Generals’ plan,” an initiative put forward by retired Israeli generals designed to empty northern Gaza and turn it into a closed military zone. On October 16, U.S. Ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield observed that the United States is closely monitoring the situation in Northern Gaza amid concern about risk of a “policy of starvation.” The U.S. Department of State warned on October 25 that insufficient humanitarian assistance was getting to North Gaza to people who needed it and that Israel has “not fully implemented all of the changes that we called for in that letter.”

The effectiveness of international diplomatic efforts to alleviate the humanitarian crisis in Gaza hinges on the willingness of the United States and other countries to push Israel to comply with these priorities. Continued non-compliance exacerbates civilian suffering and further undercuts the credibility of international legal frameworks and of U.S. law. The failure to meet humanitarian needs and respect international humanitarian law are already being repeated in Lebanon. Therefore, it is imperative that Israel takes immediate and substantive actions to meet its obligations under international and U.S. law and that the international community, particularly the United States, holds it accountable for those commitments."
---- https://www.refugeesinternational.org/re...s-in-gaza/

[Syne]

See how MR continues to avoid the simple questions? Too much cognitive dissonances with his oppression ideology.

The group claims to be independent because they do not accept government or UN funding. However, the group has numerous ties and affiliations to progressive Democratic leaders and groups, as well as known left-leaning financial supporters. Michael Madnick, the former treasurer of Sixteen Thirty Fund, has been on Refugees International’s board since 2013. Financier and philanthropist George Soros is listed as a board director emeritus on Refugees International’s website.
- https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profi...rnational/

In 2023, Refugees International received $910,000 from the Open Society Foundations[. - https://ngo-monitor.org/ngos/refugees-international/

Founder George Soros has sharply criticized Israeli and American policies towards the Palestinians, specifically the refusal to accept the participation of Hamas in a Palestinian government. Soros has also accused AIPAC of “endanger[ing]” Israel’s existence, and has drawn comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany.
- https://ngo-monitor.org/funder/open_soci...tute_osi_/

Literally funded by a guy who supported Hamas.