Article "We don't want them in Egypt" + Nobody knows + Israel haters playing with fire

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Nobody wants them? Maybe they're kind of like the Middle Eastern equivalent of 18th-century Ulster Scott rednecks.
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Egyptian president 'rejects' effort to push Palestinians to Egypt, warns it could jeopardize peace with Israel
https://www.foxnews.com/world/egyptian-p...ace-israel

INTRO: Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi on Wednesday said millions in his country are ready to protest in the streets if Palestinians are forced into Egypt, warning that such a move could turn it into a launchpad for "terrorist attacks" against Israel, jeopardizing peace between the two countries.

The remarks came at a joint press conference in Cairo with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, during which El-Sisi said that his government views Israel’s siege on Gaza as a scheme to expel the Palestinians to Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula.

"Egypt rejects any attempt to resolve the Palestinian issue by military means or through the forced displacement of Palestinians from their land, which would come at the expense of the countries of the region," El-Sisi said, according to a Reuters translation... (MORE - details)

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Nobody Knows Who Attacked the Hospital
https://reason.com/2023/10/18/nobody-kno...-hospital/

EXCERPTS: . . . American journalists think they're on the case: "No Palestinian rocket can cause the carnage & mass death we saw in that hospital," wrote Gaza Fights for Freedom director Abby Martin on Twitter/X. "Israel warned evacuation before bombing it. Officials gloated about it before denying. Shame on all media stenographers repeating Israel's lies to deflect the perpetrator of this egregious war crime."

"If in fact it's confirmed that the Israeli military lied about bombing a hospital today then that fact should be included in every story they are quoted in from now on to give readers the ability to judge their trustworthiness as a source," wrote journalist Hamilton Nolan. (The reverse is true as well, but not mentioned.) One Los Angeles Times reporter even got the Hamas vs. Islamic Jihad distinction wrong in the process of claiming that "the burden is on Israel to demonstrate its extraordinary claim that a Hamas rocket—which usually kills maybe one at a time—somehow leveled a hospital."

Major news organizations were initially quick to run with the Hamas description of events and blame before, in many cases, changing their headlines to be less credulous. Biden, on the other hand, was quick to endorse the IDF explanation.

Some journalists have offered useful context about past Israeli military denials, without jumping to the conclusion that this is necessarily a case of that. The fact of the matter is that we don't know right now and anyone claiming to know with certainty at this stage is probably incorrect. More details will likely emerge over the next few days... (MORE - missing details)

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The West’s Israel-haters are playing with fire
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/10/18...with-fire/

INTRO: It should be clear to everyone on this grim day that the fashionable rage against Israel is no longer just irrational, it is dangerous. That most peculiar union of Woke elite and perma-angry Islamists, wedded together in an implacable loathing for the Jewish State ["Why won't the Jews let themselves be killed?"], is not only unsettling, it is also menacing. In the aftermath of the calamity at al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City, and the rush to blame it on Israel, we can now see that anti-Israel hysteria poses a palpable threat to regional stability in the Middle East and to the social fabric here in the West.

There is really only one thing we can say with certainty about the explosion at al-Ahli hospital – that it was a tragedy of almost unimaginable proportions. Hundreds of Palestinians were reportedly killed in or around the hospital after a missile of some kind fell on the car park and started a raging fire. This is a dark day for Palestinians, and for humanity. The sooner we bring the war in Gaza to an end – which is to say the sooner Hamas returns the 199 civilians it kidnapped from Israel and declares a complete ceasefire – the better.

Much else about the horror at the hospital remains unclear, shrouded in claim and counterclaim. The Pavlovian response of the MSM, and of that army of preening Israel-haters on social media, was to say that Israel did it. And that it was an act of genocide. Further bloody proof, they cried, of Israel’s determination not only to neuter Hamas but also to erase an entire people. ‘Biden, Biden, you can’t hide! We charge you with genocide!’, chanted protesters outside the White House last night, furious that their president backs a nation that would do something as unconscionable as bomb a hospital.

In the hours since the tragedy, however, a different picture has emerged. There now appear to be grounds for scepticism about the media’s swift indictment of Israel. The Israel Defence Forces have released video footage which they say shows the hospital being hit by a misfired missile from Palestinian Islamic Jihad inside Gaza. They have released an audio clip of what is reportedly an intercepted phone call between two Hamas operatives, in which one says the missile ‘belongs to Palestinian Islamic Jihad’. ‘It’s from us?’, says the other. ‘It looks like it’, comes the reply. Evidence-wise, that feels devastating.

Photographs taken this morning of the area outside the hospital that was hit by the missile also raise questions about who did this... (MORE - details)

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"If in fact it's confirmed that the Israeli military lied about bombing a hospital today then that fact should be included in every story they are quoted in from now on to give readers the ability to judge their trustworthiness as a source," wrote journalist Hamilton Nolan. (The reverse is true as well, but not mentioned.) One Los Angeles Times reporter even got the Hamas vs. Islamic Jihad distinction wrong in the process of claiming that "the burden is on Israel to demonstrate its extraordinary claim that a Hamas rocket—which usually kills maybe one at a time—somehow leveled a hospital."

What a piece of shit. Where are the journos clamoring to include in every story about Hamas terrorism while hiding behind their own children, blatantly telling their people to claim killed Jihadis are "civilians," and being an authoritative regime that doesn't allow any journos to corroborate their claimed death tolls?

And remember, there hasn't been any Israeli presence in Gaza for years, so even the claim of "occupation" is a lie. But we know when Islamist talk about occupation, they really mean that all of Israel is occupied...and should belong to Muslims.

Leftists who defend Hamas have the same blood on their hands. Those who defend evil are themselves evil.

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But we know when Islamist talk about occupation, they really mean that all of Israel is occupied...and should belong to Muslims.

Aren't we supposed to pretend we don't know?

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Said it before but I can't see how people who reside in the ME don't suffer from some form of PTSD, living under a daily threat of death and in some places actually witnessing it. If so then many are operating under mental duress or illness. Can't see it ever being fixed.

[Syne]

It's like the black on black murder in urban America. Certain cultures just don't seem to value life the way the larger West does. If you don't have a culture of valuing life, it doesn't seem to be as big a deal to witness it being taken.

I assume this is not the case for Israelis, as they are the sole democracy in the ME and value life enough to try sparing civilian lives, even while risking such a threat to their own surviving.

[Zinjanthropos]

It's like the black on black murder in urban America. Certain cultures just don't seem to value life the way the larger West does. If you don't have a culture of valuing life, it doesn't seem to be as big a deal to witness it being taken.

I assume this is not the case for Israelis, as they are the sole democracy in the ME and value life enough to try sparing civilian lives, even while risking such a threat to their own surviving.

Arab perspective
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1894521/middle-east

[Syne]

You always have to question when someone uses an odd age range, like 10-19. They likely use this because it includes fighting aged men, who have likely seen or perpetrated violence, and specifically excludes younger children who show no signs of PTSD. People do this to artificially inflate percentages and dupe unwary readers.

And there are no corroborating sources for such stats in the Gaza Strip aside from the Palestinian Ministry of Health. The same source cited for the ridiculous figure of 500 killed in that parking lot bombing.

And remember, they are only exposed to violence because the Palestinian Authority, Palestinians voted into power, harbor Hamas terrorists. Since all of their violence is self-inflicted, it still comes down to their lack of value for human life. Ethnic cleansers don't see their victims as human. Since they clearly are human, that cannot help but color their view of all human life.

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It's like the black on black murder in urban America. Certain cultures just don't seem to value life the way the larger West does. If you don't have a culture of valuing life, it doesn't seem to be as big a deal to witness it being taken.

I assume this is not the case for Israelis, as they are the sole democracy in the ME and value life enough to try sparing civilian lives, even while risking such a threat to their own surviving.

Arab perspective
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1894521/middle-east

Almost all 10 to 19-year-olds in the Gaza Strip are exhibiting symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) due to their exposure to security threats and violence, according to clinical psychologist Dr. Thoraiya Kanafani. And a 2020 Arab youth survey found that nearly a third of all young people living in 15 countries in the region know at least one person suffering some form of mental illness.

No doubt, and some of the crazier religious aspects and jihad-cult persuasions also working on one is no help.

But on the other hand, Jews have also been traumatized throughout history. As well, many being poor and discriminated against when they immigrated to the US in the late 19th-century.

Yet their culture drives them to overcome such and invest in constructive habits and behaviors. That success fuels part of the envy and hatred directed at them, as it makes other community cultures look bad or flawed (if a large percentage have trouble with achievement or acquire a reputation of being difficult to deal with).

In contrast, (in the US) poor Appalachian whites and inner-city Blacks are still burdened with inheriting the lifestyle customs, attitudes, and interpretative mental orientations of antebellum Sotch-Irish culture (or the white-trash psychological ball and chain).

Ironically, though, Jewish immigrants' deep familiarity with persecution prodded then into an early attraction to Marxism and leftist politics in the US (social justice ideology). As the best way to help impoverished and discriminated communities. While Jews ascended in prosperity by actually NOT following those very social prescriptions in practice, the influences and later policies falling out of that encouraged and protected the very self-defeating proclivities that insure some population groups struggle. ("You're a victim of oppressive hegemony and capitalism. Your standards, interactive patterns, conduct, etc, are not at fault to any degree in how people and employers perceive you. Etc.")

Despite beguilement from the "victimhood" onus or trying to place a chip on their shoulder as soon as they get here, many Black immigrants (Africa, India, etc) from around the world don't fall into that pattern, and are soon off to the races (it's not a native aspect of their cultural mentality). And Asian immigrants, of course, are almost as culturally geared to rocket off as Jews.

If they elude inheriting gang culture memes, Hispanic population groups don't have an Ulster Scott and collectivism legacy chained to their ankles. They usually rise out of any initial hardship in a generation or two: "When I came to America I noticed one party claimed it is for the poor, and that its rival is for the rich. Some of my friends liked that -- but I don't want to stay poor, I want to become rich."

I recall a California woman relating a story of how, back in the early 1960s, the electric company still wasn't extending its service to the rural Black community where she and her family lived. But talked about how the neighboring Hispanic community kept cajoling until they got electric lines. She said Blacks at that time were reticent to do such due to fear of reprisals from whites. Whereas the Hispanic community just either didn't give a #### or didn't know any better.

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Standing back a bit, like maybe what would Sun Tzu have had to say about all this?

In war you fight for territory - some you win - some you lose.

The best outcome is to force the enemy into the sea - never to be seen or heard of again.

The next best outcome is a treaty which both sides agree to abide by.

A temporary solution is a ceasefire.

A holding solution is to limit the enemy's options for gaining/regaining territory.

Part of the holding solution is to establish 'peaceful' settlements on any disputed territory you wish to claim - this is your human shield - giving early warning and delaying any attack by providing a soft target. If you have superior forces you make clear any attack on the peaceful settlements will be visited tenfold on the enemy.

Where does the pop festival within a few miles of the enemies lines (where they are bound to hear it) fit in? Even if they weren't going to attack anywhere else it will encourage/force them to attack there. So, planned from within Israel .. by whom and why?

Armed Islamic nutters turning up at a pop festival - enough to provoke them to acts of madness? IMHO enough to tip them 'over the edge' - possibly more so than expected but I'd be pretty sure 'something bad' was planned and expected.

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Where does the pop festival within a few miles of the enemies lines (where they are bound to hear it) fit in? Even if they weren't going to attack anywhere else it will encourage/force them to attack there.

Sounds like prey animals visiting the water hole frequented by their predators. Theres an element of mortal danger in such an undertaking. I think perhaps organizers forgot about the peril...I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. As horrible as it was I don't know whether it should be considered a Darwin Award moment. Worst predator imaginable mere short distance away should have sounded the danger signal. Sick bastards from neighbouring shithole countries running around with guns. Money or plain complacency may have played a role in poor decision making from Israeli side.