Ghost in the basement cellphone video

[Magical Realist]

You're just trying to distract from your obviously weak OP. And as usual, among so many other words you bandy about, you clearly don't understand what the word evidence means. Someone telling you something is not evidence. It could be a lie, delusion, etc..

Nope. Eyewitness accounts are always considered reliable and strong evidence and are used all the time in criminal trials, historical reconstructions, police line-ups, autobiographies, and daily news reports. Just because they could be lying doesn't mean they are or even probably are. If you doubted everything everyone told you because they could be lying you would be unable to live in society. You'd end up a paranoid conspiracist hermit living in a bunker somewhere, which is pretty much the ideal for most rightwingers anyway.

It is a bandwagon fallacy, because your literal argument is "lots of people down thru history claim* to have seen and heard ghosts."

No it isn't. It is simply an account of something that happened to someone. Nothing is being believed, there is no agenda to convert you to some ideology, and there's simply no reason to doubt it. It is just someone's firsthand experience of the paranormal, and goes on all the time whether you want to face it or not. If it were all some sort of mass psychosis, it would long by now have been diagnosed in the DSM-5 and treated in our psychiatric hospitals. But nobody is ever sent to the psych ward for having a paranormal experience because it is largely deemed real in almost all cultures and happens all the time to completely normal and healthy people.

If it were actual evidence, you'd welcome it being dissected. But all you can do is whine "why would they lie?"

LOL You and Zin aren't dissecting shit because there is nothing to dissect. So all you do is make up some ad hoc crap about it just so you can keep living comfortably in your dreary little mundane world. It is the height of dishonesty and exposes the fragility of your worldview that you have to distort and lie about every new video documenting the existence of these things. How long can that go on? Don't you ever tire of your repeated and cliche denials of what is so plain for everybody else to see? That's rhetorical as I am sure nothing will ever convince you, not even your own personal experience of it. Anyone who can convince themselves of a secret deer break-in into someone's basement just to dismiss an astounding paranormal experience would only find more wild and fantastical excuses to dismiss any actual ghost encounter of their own. You will literally believe anything to keep from acknowledging the reality of the paranormal. You and Zin just can't handle it. I get it. But I will continue posting these here as I always do.

[Syne]

There's a huge difference between someone telling you there was a house fire (which you've likely seen copious pictures and video of, if not in person) and someone telling you something for which you have zero personal experience. You really have no idea what a theory of mind is, do you? More people throughout history have claimed belief in God than ghosts, but you dismiss that out of hand and whine and cry about someone dismissing your obvious bandwagon fallacy.

All eyewitness evidence is only as good as it can be corroborated by other evidence. Otherwise it's just "he said, she said." You know, hearsay, that's not allowed as evidence. I've told you all this so many times that it's obvious you lack the mental capacity to comprehend it.

If you claim something happened (is true) you must also have a belief that it is true. Otherwise you're just lying. If you're claiming something where "nothing is being believed," then you are simply lying. You're saying something you don't believe. You can't have it both ways... unless you're incapable of understanding simple English.

LOL You and Zin aren't dissecting anything because there is nothing to dissect.

You're right. You have absolutely nothing to dissect, because you've offered nothing that can be assessed for its veracity. You can only take it "on faith."

It's sad that the real world isn't enough for you. That you have to invest so much into these stories just to feel like your life has some meaning.
Again, with a half-functional theory of mind, you'd understand the simple fact that there is no distortion or lying about what we perceive based on our own experiences.

But you just keep on being a good little solipsist navel-gazer.

[Zinjanthropos]

What video is more compelling as evidence, one of a noisy ghost no one can see running up the stairs or this one of a deer that somehow ended up in the basement of a home.

https://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/news/n...f08d4.html

This happened not too far from my house and I remember it well. Is it evidence of a deer in someone’s basement? Are you skeptical about it MR? How could this be staged MR?

[Magical Realist]

Yeah..they said they heard the deer crashing thru the bedroom window. No way this happens without the owners knowing it. Just doesn't happen.

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All eyewitness evidence is only as good as it can be corroborated by other evidence. Otherwise it's just "he said, she said." You know, hearsay, that's not allowed as evidence.

LOL No. Hearsay is when a witness refers to something said outside of the court that was not included in the court testimony. Eyewitness accounts otoh are firsthand descriptions of what you experienced and are quite reliable and convict thousands of criminals everyday. It's just the way things are. As a practical rule of thumb, people don't lie about things that happened to them. And the fact that you would doubt everyone's accounts of their own experiences and rudely demand corroborated evidence shows what a scum-sucking lowlife you really are. No wonder you lead such a lonely culturally-outside life. In the afterlife I imagine you will be a restless and wandering phantom desperately reaching out to all the people you spurned in life. But nobody will acknowledge you or validate you. Sad sad sad...

[Zinjanthropos]

Yeah..they said they heard the deer crashing thru the bedroom window. No way this happens without the owners knowing it. Just doesn't happen.

But you told Leigha that the owners probably had been hearing other noises prior to finally investigating source. What kind of noises? Do you know what kind of noise a deer makes inside a house? Are you skeptical about a deer entering a house without owners being home? You’ve actually been skeptical all along that a deer is in the basement because you can’t see to know for sure. I can’t see your ghostly stair spirit or the dog in the video but I’m an idiot who should know better. Ok, if you say so…lol

[Syne]

Nice Socratic questions, Zin.

[Magical Realist]

But you told Leigha that the owners probably had been hearing other noises prior to finally investigating source.

I said signs of a haunting. Shutting doors, knocking on the walls at night, lights flickering, voices or moans in empty rooms, the whole nine yards. I'd educate you on the signs of a poltergeist, but I'm sure that'd be just a waste of time. Also, I said the owners would hear a deer crashing in their window and see the damage. Couldn't be taken to be a haunting.

You’ve actually been skeptical all along that a deer is in the basement because you can’t see to know for sure.

No..I doubted the deer theory because it so absurdly implausible that a deer could crash into someone's home and make it all the way down into their basement without being detected by the owners. Also the noises are regularly repeated and spaced apart and deliberate and nothing a thrashing panicky deer would make. And finally, the noise is of someone with shoes charging up the stairs. And there is clearly nothing visible on the stairs doing it. Deer don't do that or make that sort of sound. Ghosts otoh are well-known for their heavy footsteps on wooden floors and stairs.

[Syne]

Yeah..they said they heard the deer crashing thru the bedroom window. No way this happens without the owners knowing it. Just doesn't happen.

So homeowners are never not home. Is that what you're claiming?!
Not everyone is a completely shut-in hermit, even during the pandemic.

Eyewitness accounts otoh are firsthand descriptions of what you experienced and are quite reliable and convict thousands of criminals everyday.

Not without some form of corroborating evidence. Otherwise anyone with a ax to grind would be getting others convicted all the time, based on nothing but their say-so.

As a practical rule of thumb, people don't lie about things that happened to them.

You clearly haven't met many people. They lie and exaggerate about things that happen to them all the time.
That's why all the big news stories about rapes and racism end up being fake. Seriously, slink out from under your rock occasionally.

And the fact that you would doubt everyone's accounts of their own experiences and rudely demand corroborated evidence shows what a scum-sucking lowlife you really are. No wonder you lead such a lonely culturally-outside life. In the afterlife I imagine you will be a restless and wandering phantom desperately reaching out to all the people you spurned in life. But nobody will acknowledge you or validate you. Sad sad sad...

Oh noes, MR is getting desperate and attacking me with ad hominems. 9_9

Again with the pathetic straw man. No one doubts everyone's accounts of their own experiences. Only those that make claims of wrongdoing, the extraordinary, etc.. If you believe everyone, you're a gullible fool. And if you believed everyone, you'd accept when they tell you God exists. But wait, you suddenly demand corroboration in that case, don't you?

You're a pathetic hypocrite.

[Magical Realist]

So homeowners are never not home. Is that what you're claiming?

So now let's see-- a panicky deer crashing thru a window and making it all the way to the basement would never be suspected by the owners? This is getting better by the minute! You should consult Zin. He's actually frantically digging up videos of deer break-ins. Must happen all the time huh? Yeah..

And if you believed everyone, you'd accept when they tell you God exists. But wait, you suddenly demand corroboration in that case, don't you?

I haven't been told God exists by anyone for decades now. It's just not done anymore. We've culturally evolved to the point of keeping our personal beliefs to ourselves. But we do talk about what's happened to us. All the time. And nobody worth their salt doubts what we say. Unless you're like some sociopathic incel loser..

[Syne]

But you told Leigha that the owners probably had been hearing other noises prior to finally investigating source.

I said signs of a haunting. Shutting doors, knocking on the walls at night, lights flickering, voices or moans in empty rooms, the whole nine yards. I'd educate you on the signs of a poltergeist, but I'm sure that'd be just a waste of time. Also, I said the owners would hear a deer crashing in their window and see the damage. Couldn't be taken to be a haunting.

So you're just making up a bunch of bullshit those homeowners never said. This is all just MR's little fantasy world.

You’ve actually been skeptical all along that a deer is in the basement because you can’t see to know for sure.

No..I doubted the deer theory because it so absurdly implausible that a deer could crash into someone's home and make it all the way down into their basement without being detected by the owners. Also the noises are regularly repeated and spaced apart and deliberate and nothing a thrashing panicky deer would make. And finally, the noise is of someone with shoes charging up the stairs. And there is clearly nothing visible on the stairs doing it. Deer don't do that or make that sort of sound. Ghosts otoh are well-known for their heavy footsteps on wooden floors and stairs.

You do know that many basements have windows, right? Or is that yet another real world thing you're completely ignorant of?
And again, you do know homeowners occasionally leave the house, completely unattended, right?

You have no idea what the noise is. And there's no way of knowing because the video conveniently ends before anything else can be discerned.
Unknown noises don't automatically equal ghosts, unless you're a complete moron. But sadly, you probably do believe that every unidentified noise is a ghost. You seem to hang so much of your life on this. You should really get out more and interact with people in the real world.

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And if you believed everyone, you'd accept when they tell you God exists. But wait, you suddenly demand corroboration in that case, don't you?

I haven't been told God exists by anyone for decades now. It's just not done anymore. We've culturally evolved to the point of keeping our personal beliefs to ourselves. But we do talk about what's happened to us. All the time. And nobody worth their salt doubts what we say.

Then why not keep you're personal beliefs in ghosts to yourself?
So if you can avoid anyone telling you something long enough, e.g. decades, it's okay to doubt what they say they experienced?

Mind you, the OP video doesn't include a single person telling us what they experienced. You've just been making it up this whole time.