Ghost in the basement cellphone video

[Magical Realist]

grief induced delusions

You didn't even read the one story I quoted at length did you? The one in which De Santo encountered Michael's solid ghost at her salon before she even knew he had committed suicide in his apt 8 hours before. So no grief induced delusion there. But this is the typical kneejerk reaction of skeptics to these accounts--the witnesses are all nutcases. A basically soulless copout from actually learning about and honoring these incredibly healing and life-changing encounters.

[Leigha]

I think you can be skeptical, yet open minded. From a logical viewpoint, I don't believe that ghosts should exist, but people can experience things that seem to have no explanation. It's always intrigued me how scared most people are of ghosts, or the idea of a particular place being haunted. Myself included. But maybe it's perfectly natural to fear what we don't yet understand.

[Zinjanthropos]

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LOL So NOW you're saying the homeowners in that video are secretly magicians and have somehow pulled off an amazing feat of someone seemingly invisible charging up the stairs? You are pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point aren't you?
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And you’re saying no psychological processes are at work in paranormal events. You may have just condemned yourself to the looney bin with that. Only defence you have that can dismiss the truth in your mind is to malign the skeptic. Pathetic. Although by having no psychological processes at work you might be able to make a better claim but how would you prove that?

Show irrefutable proof and I’m no longer the skeptic. Said it before, can’t be done with recording equipment and even more so now in this modern era. All it takes is one hoax and everything breaks down. That may include something legitimate but we’ll never know. Not sure how you can prove ghosts exist but someone’s video isn’t the answer. All you’re doing is proving some people are good at faking it.
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[Magical Realist]

And you’re saying no psychological processes are at work in paranormal events. You may have just condemned yourself to the looney bin with that.

Really? Simply for taking that totally credible video of a haunting at face value? For not desperately confabulating one crazy scenario after another just to defend my personal mundane worldview? No.. I don't think I'm the one who needs therapy here.

[Leigha]

Have you ever watched a video of alleged ghost activity and didn’t believe the claim, MR? If so, what caused you to doubt?

This isn’t a loaded question lol - just curious if you have found some claims over the years, to lack credibility.

[Magical Realist]

Have you ever watched a video of alleged ghost activity and didn’t believe the claim, MR? If so, what caused you to doubt?

This isn’t a loaded question lol - just curious if you have found some claims over the years, to lack credibility.

Sometimes..as when the scene looks staged to appear more spooky or a figure is photoshopped in to appear like some Hollywood ghost. There's a whole buttload of videos online showing a spooky girl in a white nightgown with her long dark hair draped over her face. Clearly fake and rather reminiscent of the movie The Ring:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWj_Q-WinUc

[Leigha]

Have you ever watched a video of alleged ghost activity and didn’t believe the claim, MR? If so, what caused you to doubt?

This isn’t a loaded question lol - just curious if you have found some claims over the years, to lack credibility.

Sometimes..as when the scene looks staged to appear more spooky or a figure is photoshopped in to appear like some Hollywood ghost. There's a whole buttload of videos online showing a spooky girl in a white nightgown with her long dark hair draped over her face. Clearly fake and rather reminiscent of the movie The Ring:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWj_Q-WinUc

Okay, that’s good to know. I’d agree that some look faker than others. I’ll take your word for it on the video. That movie terrified me for weeks!

[Syne]

grief induced delusions

You didn't even read the one story I quoted at length did you? The one in which De Santo encountered Michael's solid ghost at her salon before she even knew he had committed suicide in his apt 8 hours before. So no grief induced delusion there. But this is the typical kneejerk reaction of skeptics to these accounts--the witnesses are all nutcases. A basically soulless copout from actually learning about and honoring these incredibly healing and life-changing encounters.

Nope, didn't read it, because it was obviously just a distraction from the OP. When you have to resort to "lots of people see ghosts," you've lost the argument, as that's simply a bandwagon fallacy.
And there is no way to assess the veracity of some random person's claims.

[Magical Realist]

Nope, didn't read it,

IOW you're too afraid to look at the evidence. I should've known..

When you have to resort to "lots of people see ghosts," you've lost the argument, as that's simply a bandwagon fallacy.

LOL No it isn't. Here's the bandwagon fallacy:

"The bandwagon fallacy, also known as the appeal to the masses or appeal to common belief fallacy, is the logical fallacy of claiming that something is true because everyone believes it."

Posting many eyewitness accounts of ghosts has nothing to do with many people believing in something. It occurs across the board regardless of beliefs and is compelling evidence for the reality of ghosts. Just like the explorers' accounts of the New World was evidence for the existence of it. Many people experiencing the same type of thing over and over again all over the world is simply compelling evidence for its reality. There's no way around it.

[Syne]

You're just trying to distract from your obviously weak OP. And as usual, among so many other words you bandy about, you clearly don't understand what the word evidence means. Someone telling you something is not evidence. It could be a lie, delusion, etc.. It is a bandwagon fallacy, because your literal argument is "lots of people down thru history claim* to have seen and heard ghosts." You throw a big fit if anyone wants to critique the veracity of any of these accounts, which proves it's a fallacy. If it were actual evidence, you'd welcome it being dissected. But all you can do is whine "why would they lie?" Accounts of the New World could be verified by just going there. No one can verify these ghost stories. Many people also have very similar delusions. That doesn't make them real; it makes them mental illness.


*A claim is an assertion of belief.