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(Jul 19, 2025 05:42 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Issuing death certificates has nothing to do with who's to blame for the deaths. You do know that, right? Culpability is a legal matter, not a medical one.

LOL How hard do you think it is to tell who killed thousands of shot and blown up Gazans in the middle of Israel's war against Gazans? Don't think you need a medical degree to know that. Unless you are claiming now that Hamas is killing and bombing their own people and blaming it all on IDF, which ofcourse is ridiculous.

Again, do you think doctors can tell you who committed a crime? @_@

I literally just gave you evidence of Hamas killing Gaza civilians.

Quote:Again, do you think doctors can tell you who committed a crime?

During a war? Are you kidding me? Who else would be shooting and bombing Gazans in Israel's war against the Palestinians. You can't be this stupid.

I've already shown you reports of Hamas shooting people at aid stations. Hamas literally told civilians to remain in harms way, to provide them with human shields. Hamas has a history of killing Gazan civilians.

I believe you are this naive... or willfully evil.

Quote:Hamas has a history of killing Gazan civilians.

No they don't. Israel does. That's not how you win a war, by killing your own people. That this has to even be said is embarrassing.

(Jul 19, 2025 07:33 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Hamas has a history of killing Gazan civilians.

No they don't. Israel does. That's not how you win a war, by killing your own people. That this has to even be said is embarrassing.

I literally just cited this Amnesty International article telling you they do: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2...-conflict/

LEARN TO READ.

Wow..from the same organization you claim is lying because it is antisemitic. Cherrypicking whatever supports your conclusions and discarding the rest. There's a name for that, and its initials are CB..

(Jul 20, 2025 01:29 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Wow..from the same organization you claim is lying because it is antisemitic. Cherrypicking whatever supports your conclusions and discarding the rest. There's a name for that, and its initials are CB..

Yes, before Oct 7th, when antisemitism spiked worldwide, some organizations actually did report some facts.
But even in 2015, they had to play whataboutism:

“It is absolutely appalling that, while Israeli forces were inflicting massive death and destruction upon the people in Gaza, Hamas forces took the opportunity to ruthlessly settle scores, carrying out a series of unlawful killings and other grave abuses,”
- https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2...-conflict/

That such an anti-Israel source reports it should lend it credence. Are you claiming Amnesty International is not credible, or just this article?

Quote:Yes, before Oct 7th, when antisemitism spiked worldwide, some organizations actually did report some facts.

Why did those same organizations start making up stories then? Do any of these organizations deny the Holocaust? What suddenly turns an organization from reliable and unbiased to just lying antisemites?

(Jul 20, 2025 03:20 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Yes, before Oct 7th, when antisemitism spiked worldwide, some organizations actually did report some facts.

Why did those same organizations start making up stories then? Do any of these organizations deny the Holocaust? What suddenly turns an organization from reliable and unbiased to just lying antisemites?

As I just pointed out, the bias existed before. This pretense at being fair that morally equates the democracy of Israel with terrorists.
But Oct 7th saw a huge spike in antisemitism, and with the media amplification, it quickly became much more acceptable among leftists.

History is flashing warnings to the world.

Outbursts of antisemitism have often been harbingers of societies in deep trouble and omens that extremism and violence are imminent.

So the wave of global hatred directed against Jews – intensified by Israel’s indiscriminate response in Gaza to horrific Hamas terrorist murders of Israeli civilians on October 7 – should not just be seen as a reaction to the Middle East yet again slumping into war.

Recent antisemitism is also a reflection of destructive forces tearing at American and western European societies, where stability and democracy are already under pressure.

The Hamas attacks – a pogrom against Jews that killed 1,400, mostly civilians – have initiated a sequence of events that have left Jewish people around the world feeling threatened. And now that the Israeli government has sought retribution through air strikes and operations in Gaza targeting Hamas, the scenes of carnage in Palestinian communities threaten to further drain public sympathy for Israel abroad and, in some cases, contribute to an atmosphere that risks worsening harassment of Jewish people.
- https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/31/politics/...d-analysis

See, even when they admit the rise in antisemitism, they can't help but include whataboutism. It's been a mixed bag of credibility for a long time. Antisemites of any intelligence know that they have to be credible on other subjects, like reporting on Hamas killing Gaza civilians, because that lends credence to their antisemitic claims, by proximity.

Quote:Do any of these organizations deny the Holocaust?

Is Holocaust denial the only form of antisemitism you recognize? @_@

Quote:Is Holocaust denial the only form of antisemitism you recognize?

It's a sure sign of it. Just being against the nation of Israel otoh isn't. No more than being against the US stealing of native American lands makes you're anti-American. Indeed, one is only so vehemently against the actions of a country if one has hope in the people of that country to do better and elect better leaders. There is a clear difference between being prejudiced against an ethnicity and being against a nation's actions and policies, particularly when that nation has banished you from your own homeland and imprisons you in a ravaged and wartorn territory bombing all your churches and apts and hospitals and cutting off all your food supplies.