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Syne Offline
Again, "latest figures from the ministry of health in Gaza." How many times do I have to tell you that the Gaza health ministry is run by Hamas? You, the BBC, and anyone else reporting these figures uncritically is putting blind faith in terrorists.

UNICEF: The United Nations: Leading Global Purveyor of Anti-Semitism

On September 18th [2024], the UN General Assembly voted to hand the Old City of Jerusalem, home to Judaism’s holiest sites, to what it calls the “State of Palestine.”

The text of the resolution is quite radical. It begins with four pages of preambular attacks on Israel, in which Hamas and Palestinian terrorism are never mentioned. Then we get the 19 paragraphs that call for action.

These include a demand that Israel withdraw “all its military forces from the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including its airspace and maritime space,” which is obviously suicidal. All countries are asked to boycott Israel diplomatically and economically in paragraph 4d...
- https://www.cfr.org/blog/united-nations-...old-city-1


BBC:

The BBC has been accused of “gaslighting” a group of more than 200 of its Jewish staff, contributors and suppliers over the handling of detailed complaints about antisemitism at the corporation.

The group’s complaints included a letter to the BBC chair, Samir Shah, calling for an investigation into what it warned could amount to a “serious institutional racism problem”.
- https://www.theguardian.com/media/articl...complaints


The Lancet:

“The Lancet must make it unequivocally clear that the letter does not represent the views of the journal, was not peer-reviewed, and is purely speculative,” said AJC CEO Ted Deutch. “Anything less will seriously damage the journal’s reputation as an authoritative source and will have serious negative repercussions for Jews around the world and the State of Israel.”

Dr. Peter A. Singer, former Special Adviser to the Director-General of the World Health Organization, criticized the letter's methodology, stating, "There is no new data here. Its methods: take one unreliable number and multiply by another unreliable number to get a bigger unreliable number." Even one of the authors of the letter, Martin McKee, admitted that “the piece has been greatly misquoted and misinterpreted.”
- https://www.ajc.org/news/ajc-urges-retra...death-toll


And you can't keep claiming starvation when some parts of Gaza have never been without food, but Hamas has allowed profiteering to make it unaffordable.
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#52
Magical Realist Online
Quote:Again, "latest figures from the ministry of health in Gaza." How many times do I have to tell you that the Gaza health ministry is run by Hamas? You, the BBC, and anyone else reporting these figures uncritically is putting blind faith in terrorists.

I have no reason to doubt the figures nor does anyone else, unless you have the correct figures on hand? Do you? Ofcourse not. Because Israel has no intention of letting anyone find out what the figures are. That's how you get away with genocide. It's how the Nazis kept it a secret for years.

Meanwhile, from the people who are actually in Gaza:

https://www.mercycorps.org/blog/gaza-is-starving
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#53
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Mercy Corps: Humanitarian Assistance, Marred By Anti-Israeli Propaganda

The descriptions of the Mercy Corps humanitarian projects to aid Palestinians include biased claims blaming Israel exclusively for poverty and suffering, ignoring the rampant corruption of the Palestinian Authority, and the campaign of terrorism directed against Israeli civilians. In one report, Mercy Corps claims: "As a result of the severe restrictions placed on Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, the UN and other agencies have identified serious micronutrient deficiencies among Palestinian children…" Beyond these politically-charged allegations, there is no independent analysis, no evidence to ascribe this situation to Israeli policies, and no effort to examine Israeli efforts to alleviate Palestinian suffering.

In a second example, Mercy Corps claims: "Over the past decade, the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) began implementing a closure system in the West Bank to regulate Palestinian movement … through a series of roadblocks and military checkpoints. In the past three years access and movement for Palestinians within the West Bank has been crippled by more than 700 IDF barriers and checkpoints. The massive wall the Israeli Government is building will further separate Palestinian communities, sever social and economic links and block access to critical health and education services." No mention is made of the Palestinian terror campaign that has killed over 1000 Israelis since 2001, most of them civilians riding in busses, going to schools, and eating in cafes.

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#54
Magical Realist Online
Quote:No mention is made of the Palestinian terror campaign

That's all they got on Mercy Corps? lol And so that makes their reporting on the crisis in Gaza false? That there really ISN'T starvation going on in Gaza? How does that follow? There's nothing to remedy with mentioning that. They are totally focused on the starvation going on in Gaza. It's what they exist to do. They have no reason to lie about any of it.

Meanwhile, from more people actually there:

https://www.savethechildren.org/us/where...lsrc=aw.ds
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#55
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That makes it one-sided and biased. Yes, bias literally makes people skew causes in one direction.
Let's look at the source that Mercy Corps cites:

On May 20, 2024, International Criminal Court (ICC) Prosecutor Karim Khan announced that he was pursuing arrest warrants against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant. Khan alleged that both “bear criminal responsibility” for the war crime of “starvation of civilians as a method of warfare.”

As shown below, anti-Israel non-governmental organizations (NGOs) – many funded by European governments and some linked to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) terror group – initiated the “starvation as a weapon” narrative immediately following Hamas’ brutal assault on October 7. While the IDF was still fighting Palestinian terrorists in southern Israel, and well before the ground invasion of Gaza, NGOs issued press releases and submissions to the ICC making outrageous claims of “starvation.”

Central to this campaign were “reports” of an NGO framework known as “the Famine Review Committee of the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) system.” The factual claims in IPC publications primarily reference UN agencies (UNRWA, WHO) and the PFLP-linked NGO Union of Agricultural Work Committees (UAWC) that simply repeat propaganda from the Hamas Ministry of Health. These claims were repeated by the “expert committee” appointed by Khan, referenced in the May 20 ICC statement, that served as the justification for his actions.

For over a decade, these same NGOs have been lobbying for ICC prosecution of Israelis, pushing the Court to recognize the Palestinian Authority as a member and to expand its jurisdiction, filing complaints, representing “victims,” and submitting briefs.
- https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/icc-starvation/

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#56
Magical Realist Online
OMG..Big evil anti-semitic anti-starvation charities saying bad things about Israel. Like they'd have any reason whatsoever to lie about what is going on in Gaza. Fake news. Fake photos. Everything a lie..lol

Oh no!...here's 6 more well-regarded international charities saying the same thing about the crisis in Gaza. Sounds like a conspiracy! lol

https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/pres...s-blocked/

https://www.savethechildren.org/us/where...lsrc=aw.ds

https://humanconcernusa.org/palestine-relief/

https://irusa.org/middle-east/palestine/

https://sharethemeal.org/en-us/campaigns/palestine11

https://matwprojectusa.org/crisis-and-em...871t8aT7vw
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#57
Syne Offline
First, quit making up straw man lies... unless you're just too dumb and chickenshit to address actual arguments.
No one said Gazans weren't in need. But that's a far cry from claiming Israel is the primary cause and their motivation is genocide... well, unless you're intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt.
Second, you asked for it:

AJC France on Wednesday condemned the French NGO Action Against Hunger (ACF) for distributing a film that solely blames Israel for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

“Broken Hopes,” whose bias was revealed through research by NGO Monitor, presents the views of three anti-Israel spokespeople who are in various ways connected to the anti-Israel Boycott, Divestiture and Sanctions (BDS) movement or to organizations that oppose Israel’s existence.

The film “presents a unilateral and partial story of Palestinian ‘victimization'” and disregards the Palestinian Authority’s “corruption regarding the management of aid received from the international community,” AJC France Chair René-Pierre Azria wrote to the president of ACF in Paris, Stéphanie Rivoal.
- https://ngo-monitor.org/in-the-media/fre..._conflict/

Save the Children UK and its officials have consistently ignored Hamas’ abuse of civilian infrastructure, and distorted Israeli efforts to minimize civilian casualties in Gaza.
In January 2025, Yasmin Ghaffar, a member of Save the Children UK’s public affairs team, posted a blatantly antisemitic TikTok video. In it, she asked her followers for recommendations for bagels in New York, specifying, “I don’t want to be giving any of my money to genocidal maniacs,” and adding that she was looking for shops that are either “actively pro-Palestinian” or “known to not be in support of that hell-hole place and Zionism” – clearly seeking to avoid Jewish-owned stores.
- https://ngo-monitor.org/ngos/save_the_children_fund/

Human Concern International and the International Development and Relief Foundation, fronts for the Global Relief Foundation, an organization that is suspected of laundering money for al-Qaeda and whose founder is in American law enforcement custody. - https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/the_cana...terrorism/

IRW was a “founding organization” of The Union of Good. The Union of Good is designated as a terror organization by Israel and was designated by the US government as “an organization created by Hamas leadership to transfer funds to the terrorist organization.” - https://ngo-monitor.org/ngos/islamic_rel...wide_irw_/

NGOs capitalize on ideological and political antagonism within the UN [WFP] to bring their anti-Israel campaigns to the international stage. The devastating impact of NGOs is compounded by the institutional bias of UN bodies, such as the Human Rights Council, the Special Rapporteur on Palestinian issues, and biased “fact-finding” missions.
- https://ngo-monitor.org/report-category/un/


It's not a conspiracy if individuals, or individual charities, are all shown to have the same hateful bias. A conspiracy involves an agreement to collude, but that doesn't seem to have happened nor to be necessary.
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#58
Magical Realist Online
Quote:NGOs capitalize on ideological and political antagonism within the UN [WFP] to bring their anti-Israel campaigns to the international stage.

Wow...so every NGO in the world is antisemitic? That's a lot of NGOs. 10 million according to Google! So who the hell is running this so-called NGO-monitor? The IDF? What accounts for such universal agreement among NGOs, being there and seeing the crisis in Gaza themselves, that Israel is causing the starvation of Gazans? It would either have to be a vast worldwide conspiracy deliberately orchestrated to make Israel look bad, or simply the truth. That's the interesting thing about the truth. Many independent sources will tend to arrive at it over time naturally, because you just can't hide it no matter how much you try.

Here's the Wiki article on it:

"NGO Monitor is a right-wing organization based in Jerusalem that reports on international NGO (non-governmental organisation) activity from a pro-Israel perspective.[4][5][6][7]

The organization was founded in 2001 by Gerald M. Steinberg under the auspices of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, before becoming a legally and financially independent organization in 2007.[citation needed]

NGO Monitor has been criticized by academic figures, diplomats, and journalists for allowing its research and conclusions to be driven by politics,[8][9][10] for not examining right-wing NGOs,[10] and for spreading misinformation.[11] NGO Monitor's stated mission is to "end the practice used by certain self-declared 'humanitarian NGOs' of exploiting the label 'universal human rights values' to promote politically and ideologically motivated agendas".[1] A number of academics have written that NGO Monitor's aims and activities are political in nature.[10][12][9]

The organization's leader, Gerald M. Steinberg, has reportedly worked for the Israeli Foreign Ministry and the Office of the Prime Minister while heading NGO Monitor...

Political research conducted at Lund University in 2019 rated NGO Monitor poorly for its "counter-democratic activities" and found that the organization was "heavily involved in [the] denunciation" of human rights NGOs by depicting them as "unprofessional and biased".[43] In all of NGO Monitor's reports, it was found to criticize NGOs that "had a perspective of promoting Palestinian human rights and/or taking a critical stance toward Israeli Government policies vis-à-vis Palestinians". The research also found that NGO Monitor appeared to "be promoting pro-Israel views regarding the conflict in a partisan way" and that, organizationally, NGO Monitor "might be less independent" and "tied to strong political interests and actors".[43]

Leonard Fein, writing for The Forward in 2005, said that NGO Monitor is "an organization that believes that the best way to defend Israel is to condemn anyone who criticizes it."[44]

Yehudit Karp, a member of the International Council of the New Israel Fund and a former deputy attorney general of Israel, said that NGO Monitor has released information "it knew to be wrong, along with some manipulative interpretation".[45]

The New Israel Fund said in May 2011 that NGO Monitor "knowingly published false information in its newsletter" about the NIF funding of Coalition of Women for Peace (CWP). NIF said that NGO Monitor's director was given the correct information verbally in advance.[46] NGO Monitor responded by asserting that its report was based on NIF grant information.[47] NIF's rejoined that its public records lag the end of the reporting year by several months, but reiterated that updated information was given to NGO Monitor verbally. NIF also said that it asked CWP to remove mention of NIF's name from the CWP website.[48]

Yoaz Hendel, a former adviser to Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu who is now a columnist at Yediot Aharonot, said that NGO Monitor is a "serious voice in the field".[49]

In July 2009, HRW issued a statement saying, "NGO Monitor ... conducts no field investigations and condemns anyone who criticizes Israel".[50]

Uriel Heilman, a managing editor for the Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA) and a senior reporter for The Jerusalem Post, wrote in an online opinion column that there were a "couple of disingenuous (read: inaccurate) elements" in the May 2009 digest of NGO Monitor. Heilman rhetorically asked whether the situation itself was "enough for Steinberg and NGO Monitor's followers without Steinberg having to stretch the truth?" Steinberg later conceded that the statement's phrasing was confusing and revised it.[51]

Kathleen Peratis, a member of the board of Human Rights Watch, called into question the research methodology underlying an op-ed by Steinberg for not saying specifically where or when HRW statements have been unverifiable.[52] In 2006, she criticized NGO Monitor for accusations against HRW and its "executive director, whose father fled Nazi Germany". Peratis took issue with an op-ed by Steinberg titled "Ken Roth's Blood Libel",[53] and argues those like NGO Monitor "who want selective exemption of Israel from the rules of war" may not "have faced the implications of getting what they wish for".[52]

In 2009, David Newman criticized NGO Monitor for concentrating "almost entirely with a critique of peace-related NGOs and especially those which focus on human rights, as though there were no other NGOs to examine". He said that NGO Monitor, which he called a right-wing organization, had consistently refused requests to investigate the activities and funding of right-wing NGOs, many of which, Newman said, were facilitating illegal activity in the West Bank.[54]

In January 2010, 13 Israeli human rights organizations released a common statement calling NGO Monitor and Im Tirtzu "extremist", and criticised an "unbridled and incendiary attack" by them against human rights groups.[55]

The 2013 Menachem Begin Prize was awarded to NGO Monitor, "a leading organization defending the State of Israel and the Jewish people." The Begin Prize is awarded for "extraordinary act(s) for the benefit of the State of Israel and/or the Jewish People." Natan Sharansky said, "NGO Monitor is the leading organization defending the State of Israel and the Jewish people."[56]

Ambassador Andrew Stanley, the EU representative to Israel, took issue with NGO Monitor's description of EU policy as operating in secret, writing, "as Prof. Steinberg is fully aware from the various conversations we have had with him, funding of projects by the European Union worldwide is carried out by open and public calls for proposals published on EU websites, including the website of the Delegation of the European Union to the State of Israel."[57]

Michael Edwards lists NGO Monitor among a group of organisations who use deficiencies in NGO accountability as a pretext for politically motivated attacks to silence views with which they disagree. Edwards writes that they "single out liberal or progressive groups for criticism while ignoring the same problems, if that is what they are, among NGOs allied with conservative views".[10] According to Joel Peters, NGO Monitor's activities include "high profile campaigns with the aim of delegitimizing the activities of Israeli civil society and human rights organisations, especially those advocating the rights of Arab citizens of Israel and/or address the question of violations of human rights in the Occupied Territories",[9] to which NGO Monitor responded, "Our aims and objectives (holding political advocacy NGOs accountable, providing checks and balances, researching and publishing on these issues) are clearly spelled out."[58]

According to Naomi Chazan, NGO Monitor is closely linked to a "tightly knit, coordinated set of associations" whose goal is to undermine liberal voices in Israel and entrench a negative image of them by "continuously hammer[ing] away at their key message—in this instance, the abject disloyalty of certain civil society organizations and their funders and their collusion with Israel's most nefarious external detractors". According to Chazan, "by reinforcing this mantra by every available means, innuendo could be transformed into fact".[12]

In an editorial published by The Forward, J.J. Goldberg called NGO Monitor "one of the smoothest left-bashing operations."[59]

Ilan Baruch, Israel's former ambassador to South Africa, said in a September 2018 report by the Policy Working Group (PWG) that NGO Monitor "disseminates misleading and tendentious information, which it presents as factual in-depth research". NGO Monitor's efforts are designed to "defend and sustain [Israeli] government policies that help uphold Israel's occupation of ...the Palestinian territories".[11][60] The Dutch government has also criticised NGO Monitor, singling out the unreliability of its accusations against human rights defenders. Dutch Foreign Minister Stef Blok said "the government is familiar with the accusations by NGO Monitor against a broad group of Israeli and Palestinian human rights organisations, as well as with criticism of the conduct of NGO Monitor itself", citing the PWG report. "This research shows that many of NGO Monitor's accusations are based on selective citations, half-facts and insinuations, but not necessarily on hard evidence", Blok added.[61]

In 2024, the Wikipedia community reached a consensus to prohibit the use of NGO Monitor as a source."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGO_Monitor

oopsie daisy! 9_9
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#59
Syne Offline
Another pathetic straw man lie. No one said every NGO.
Genetic fallacy, whereas everything NGO Monitor reports is supported by facts. I don't see you refuting any of those facts.

Editing for Hate: How Anti-Israel and Anti-Jewish Bias Undermines Wikipedia’s Neutrality

I'm showing a bias in facts. You're only showing, at best, a bias in political leaning... only being criticized by those of the opposite political leaning.
I see plenty of left-wing characterizations of NGO Monitor, but no refute of any actual facts.

Typical.
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#60
Magical Realist Online
Quote:Another pathetic straw man lie. No one said every NGO.

Yes they did. Here it is again:

"NGOs capitalize on ideological and political antagonism within the UN [WFP] to bring their anti-Israel campaigns to the international stage."

That's every NGO. If you're an NGO, they're saying you are anti-Israel. And that's complete nonsense as I showed.

Quote:Genetic fallacy, whereas everything NGO Monitor reports is supported by facts. I don't see you refuting any of those facts.

No they're not. As I showed they complained about Mercy Corp for not mentioning Palestinian attacks, but that doesn't invalidate their reports on Israel's treatment of Gazans in the least. It's a total non-sequiter. They're under no obligation to mention that. That's not what they are about. As quoted already:

"This research shows that many of NGO Monitor's accusations are based on selective citations, half-facts and insinuations, but not necessarily on hard evidence", Blok added."

IOW the whole organization is just a front for a pro-Israel anti-palestinian propaganda machine aimed only at bashing all humanitarian NGOs in the world for exposing Israel's genocidal policies. There couldn't be a more partisan dissemination of misinformation and lies just to keep Israel looking good before the world. No wonder you're such a moronic fool. If I had been sucking that hind tit as long as you have I'd be a toothless dumbfuck too.
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