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LOL Or, as per Occam's razor, there is no Hamas "propaganda" and they are all simply reporting the truth.

If you willfully choose to believe terrorists, you're evil. When are you going to start denying Oct 7th as a false flag event?

(Jul 18, 2025 09:15 PM)Syne Wrote: If you willfully choose to believe terrorists, you're evil. When are you going to start denying Oct 7th as a false flag event?

"Palestinians" does not equal "terrorists". Being for them is therefore not terrorism nor evil either.

(Jul 18, 2025 09:33 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Jul 18, 2025 09:15 PM)Syne Wrote: If you willfully choose to believe terrorists, you're evil. When are you going to start denying Oct 7th as a false flag event?

"Palestinians" does not equal "terrorists". Being for them is therefore not terrorism nor evil either.

LEARN TO READ.

None of that said "Palestinians." It literally said the "Gaza Health Ministry" which is controlled by Hamas, which is a terrorist organization.

Quote:It literally said the "Gaza Health Ministry" which is controlled by Hamas, which is a terrorist organization.

You're assuming anyone associated with Hamas shares their terroristic goals. How can a Palestinian health ministry be about terrorism? Are they only pretending to care for and minister to Gazans? I don't think so. There's no reason for them to make shit up. And terrorists aren't motivated by made up stories. It's really happening, as reported by dozens of other agencies.

Hath not a Jew eyes?

Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer as a Christian is? If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge. The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.

— The Merchant of Venice, Act III scene 1.

(Jul 18, 2025 11:13 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:It literally said the "Gaza Health Ministry" which is controlled by Hamas, which is a terrorist organization.

You're assuming anyone associated with Hamas shares their terroristic goals. How can a Palestinian health ministry be about terrorism? Are they only pretending to care for and minister to Gazans? I don't think so. There's no reason for them to make shit up.

Again, you're ignorantly assuming Hamas wouldn't appoint Hamas loyalists.

Following Hamas' takeover of Gaza in 2007, the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip has appointed its own alternate health ministers
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Healt...ry#History

All of the GHM ministers are from the Hamas party: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Healt..._ministers

Quote:And terrorists aren't motivated by made up stories. It's really happening, as reported by dozens of other agencies.

Terrorists make up the stories that fit their propaganda, and as the research above shows, the media have accepted their credibility without skepticism or independent verification.

From your own article:

"Palestinian political analyst Nour Odeh has asserted the process of issuing death certificates is not done by political figures, but by health professionals, insisting "this process enables families to deal with issues such as inheritance and custody of children whose parents have died."[16] Director of Kamal Adwan Hospital, Ahmed al-Kahlot, denied that the GHM was unduly influenced by Hamas' control, stating that "Hamas is one of the factions. Some of us are aligned with Fatah, some are independent." and "More than anything, we are medical professionals."

Quote:Terrorists make up the stories that fit their propaganda,

What evidence do you have of that? Why would they keep fighting against Israel for made up reasons? Would you give your life fighting for a cause that was based on made up data?

Independent count of Gazan casualties above the GHM's count:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-02009-8

"Almost 84,000 people died in Gaza between October 2023 and early January 2025 as a result of the Hamas–Israel war, estimates the first independent survey of deaths. More than half of the people killed were women aged 18–64, children or people over 65, reports the study, which was posted on the preprint server medRxiv last week1. It has not been peer reviewed.

Since the start of the war, the Palestinian Ministry of Health — Gaza has been the main institution counting mortality in the region: it regularly publishes detailed lists of people who have died. The most recent count, on 25 June, reported 56,200 deaths. But some people have questioned the reliability of the ministry’s figures — and studies based on them — particularly as the conflict has progressed and medical centres, which the ministry relies on for its mortality data, have come under attack.

The latest figures do not rely on ministry data but could contain uncertainties given the challenges of counting fatalities in a conflict zone. But the numbers are similar to those reported by another research group, who used a different counting method, earlier this year, says Patrick Ball, a statistician and director of research at the non-profit Human Rights Data Analysis Group in San Francisco, California. That increases Ball’s confidence in the latest work."

Issuing death certificates has nothing to do with who's to blame for the deaths. You do know that, right? Culpability is a legal matter, not a medical one. So if a hospital is telling you who is culpable, they are speaking outside of their field and likely propagandizing. You also realize that hospitals are different from a bureaucratic health ministry, right? Otherwise you'd have to believe that a hospital and Trump's DHHS are also the same thing. Are you that ignorant?

In December 2023, the Israeli army raided Kamal Adwan Hospital and detained [Ahmed] al-Kahlout along with 90 other individuals. A video was subsequently released by the Israeli army showing al-Kahlout telling investigators that Hamas used the hospital as a base for its operations. In the video, he admitted to being recruited by Hamas in 2010 with the rank of brigadier general and stated that some hospital staff members were military operatives of Hamas's Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades. - Google AI

You were saying? @_@

Hamas has always wanted the genocide of Jews:

The 1988 Hamas charter proclaims that jihad against Jews is required until Judgement Day.[143][144] Article 7 of the 1988 governing charter of Hamas "openly dedicate(s) Hamas to genocide against the Jewish people". - wiki

That's been reason enough for evil people to be terrorists. The Nazis made up stuff about the Jews too. Hate does that to people. Are you really this naive?

To conduct an independent survey of fatalities, researchers worked with the non-profit Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, based in Ramallah, to survey randomly selected households representative of the population across the Gaza Strip.
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The researchers estimate that in the 15 months up to 5 January, there were around 75,200 violent deaths in Gaza. Another 8,540 people died of non-violent causes as a result of the war.
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Jamaluddine and her colleagues used health-ministry data and other sources.
- https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-02009-8

1) A survey of households, where there's no mention of getting names of the dead to compare against those reported by other "households."

It's challenging to provide a precise number of households in Gaza that share family members due to several factors:
1. Cultural norms and conflict displacement

Extended family structures are common in Gaza.
Repeated displacement due to conflict has forced many families to share limited space in shelters or host communities, impacting household arrangements.
- Google AI

This means that the same deaths could have been counted multiple times.

2) No mention of the deaths being caused by the IDF. Some collateral damage is to be expected, but when Hamas uses civilians as human shields, it could be higher, even when the IDF used every means available to warn civilians (with Hamas telling civilians to remain in place, hoping to use the death toll for lawfare and propaganda). Hamas already had a track record of killing Gazan citizens:

Gaza: Palestinians tortured, summarily killed by Hamas forces during 2014 conflict

Hamas forces carried out a brutal campaign of abductions, torture and unlawful killings against Palestinians accused of “collaborating” with Israel and others during Israel’s military offensive against Gaza in July and August 2014, according to a new report by Amnesty International.
- https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2...-conflict/

3) Whenever they say an unspecified "health-ministry," they mean the Gaza Health Ministry, run by Hamas.

Quote:Issuing death certificates has nothing to do with who's to blame for the deaths. You do know that, right? Culpability is a legal matter, not a medical one.

LOL How hard do you think it is to tell who killed thousands of shot and blown up Gazans in the middle of Israel's war against Gazans? Don't think you need a medical degree to know that. Unless you are claiming now that Hamas is killing and bombing their own people and blaming it all on IDF, which ofcourse is ridiculous.