Fascist Trump goons with guns again..

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#92
Syne Offline
Why haven't we seen the video the wife was filming?
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#94
Syne Offline
More legal ignorance.
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#97
Syne Offline
Kindergarten logic. Right up there with "hands up, don't shoot" (that didn't happen) and "I can't breathe" (that was a drug overdose).
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#98
confused2 Offline
Removing the 'Good attempted to kill the agent' factor .. was attempting to leave the scene sufficient justification to fire three shots at Good? In another situation a man (George Floyd) died while being restrained (by Dererk Chauvin) but the similarity ends there because Chauvin didn't fire three shots into Floyd's head.
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#99
Syne Offline
"Attempt" implies intention, which is impossible for the officer to divine in the moment, hence irrelevant.

The similarities are that one attempted to evade arrest and the other resisted arrest. One evaded in a way that caused the perception of immediate danger (justified self-defense) to the officer, and the one resisted in a way that (along with the angry crowd) prolonged getting medically checked out.

Justified self-defense is a legal doctrine that allows individuals to use reasonable force to protect themselves (or others or property, depending on the jurisdiction) from an imminent threat of unlawful physical harm. It serves as a complete defense in criminal and tort law, meaning that if the actions are found to be justified, the person is absolved of criminal responsibility.

While self-defense laws vary by state and jurisdiction, the validity of a self-defense claim typically depends on meeting several core conditions, assessed from the perspective of a "reasonable person" in the same circumstances:

Imminence of Threat: The person must reasonably believe they face an immediate and unavoidable danger of physical harm, death, or serious bodily injury. A threat of future harm or a past attack that has already ended does not justify the use of force.
Reasonable Belief: The belief that force was necessary must be objectively reasonable given the circumstances at the time. An honest but unreasonable belief may lead to an "imperfect self-defense" claim, which might reduce a murder charge to manslaughter but is not a full justification.
Proportionality of Force: The amount of force used must be proportionate to the threat faced. Using deadly force (force likely to cause death or great bodily harm) is generally only justified if the person reasonably believes they are in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm.
Initial Aggressor Status: Generally, the person claiming self-defense cannot be the one who initiated the confrontation or provoked the attack. However, an initial aggressor may regain the right to self-defense if they attempt to withdraw in good faith and communicate that intent, or if the other party escalates the level of force with a disproportionate response.
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The officer believed he faced "immediate and unavoidable danger of physical harm, death, or serious bodily injury."
That belief was reasonable because, as I've shown, similar situations have resulted in death within one second. The SUV's wheels spun and engine revved pointing directly at him.
As I've shown, a vehicle gunned at someone that close can lead to death, hence lethal force being proportional to the perceived deadly threat.
The officer did not initiate the attack.

All the legal criteria for justified self-defense met.
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Magical Realist Offline
Quote:The officer believed he faced "immediate and unavoidable danger of physical harm, death, or serious bodily injury."

Might explain the first shot, if we assume he didn't see her cutting the steering wheel to the right which is clear on his own cellphone recording. But it doesn't explain the two extra shots into her face thru her open window when he was well out of harm's way. The only explanation for that is rage for her trying to get away. Pure hate-driven murder. And hence his immediate pronouncement after he finished her off "Fucking Bitch!".
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