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Lying liar Donald Trump lies again

#1
Magical Realist Offline
"On Sunday, Steve Fulop, the mayor of Jersey City, New Jersey blasted Donald Trump for spreading lies about the people of his state.

“Clearly, Trump has memory issues or willfully distorts the truth, either of which should be concerning for the Republican Party,” Fulop said on Twitter.

The mayor’s remark came in response to a series of comments made by Trump, first during a campaign appearance in Birmingham, Alabama on November 21, and again on Sunday, during an appearance on ABC’s This Week.

Speaking of the terrorist attacks in New York on 9/11, Trump told his Alabama supporters:

“I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands of thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down.”

The following day, ABC’s George Stephanopoulos questioned him about the “thousands of thousands of people” he claims to have seen cheering, as the twin towers fell.

“You know, the police say that didn’t happen and all those rumors have been on the Internet for some time. So did you misspeak yesterday?” Stephanopoulos asked.

“It did happen. I saw it,” Trump declared.

When questioned further, Trump stated:

“There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations. They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down. I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down — as those buildings came down. And that tells you something. It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don’t like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good.”

Trump’s disturbing statements about a supposed Muslim celebration following the 9/11 terror attacks quickly earned him a pants-on-fire rating from Politifact. A host of other fact checking websites found the claim to be false as well.

“Trump is plain wrong, and he is shamefully politicizing an emotionally charged issue,” Mayor Fulop said in a statement released on Sunday morning. “No one in Jersey City cheered on September 11.”

Fulop isn’t the only one slamming Trump for his delusional remarks. George Pataki, the republican governor of New York in 2001, when the attacks took place, responded to Trump’s remarks on Twitter.


The Washington Post reached out to Jerry Speziale, the police commissioner of Paterson, New Jersey on 9/11. The city has the second-largest Muslim population in the United States.

“That is totally false. That is patently false,” Speziale told the Washington Post. “That never happened. There were no flags burning, no one was dancing. That is bullshit.”

Spaziale said the main concern after the attacks “was that the U.S. Muslim population would face retaliation, and so law enforcement officials worked with the community to ensure that did not happen.” He stressed that, “they’ve been very helpful and law-abiding.”

As Mother Jones reports:

“If Trump really did see thousands of Americans cheering the traumatic demise of the World Trade Towers and the horrific deaths of thousands of their fellow citizens—which, of course, he did not—this did not seem to affect him greatly at the time. Two days after 9/11, Trump granted an interview to a German television station. With the smoke still rising from the remains, Trump was…well, completely sane.”

In a statement to BuzzFeed News, the Anti Defamation League ripped Trump for the comments, saying:

“It is unfortunate that Donald Trump is giving new life to long-debunked conspiracy theories about 9/11. This seems a variation of the anti-Semitic myth that a group of Israelis were seen celebrating as the Twin Towers fell. His comments are irresponsible — not to mention factually challenged.”

Ibrahim Hooper, national communications director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, also said in a statement to BuzzFeed News that Trump was “either mistaken or he’s lying.”

“This has been one of these vile memes on the anti-Islam hate sites for some time, but there’s actually no evidence to support it whatsoever. And it’d be interesting if he personally saw it. That would be quite interesting since it didn’t happen. You could understand somebody making a mistake of fact the first time, but the second time where he restates it and expands on it, it sends the message that he doesn’t actually care whether it’s true or not as long as it panders to the worst or lowest common denominator of his supporters.”

Mayor Fulop echoed the sentiments of New Jersey residents, saying

“Trump needs to understand that Jersey City will not be part of his hate campaign.”

Trump has earned more pants-on-fire ratings than any other candidate so far. Even Ben Carson, who so far has not received a single ‘true’ rating from Politifact is lagging behind Trump, when it comes to the pants-on-fire statements.

People are busy trying to understand why Trump lies so much. Is he just pandering to the racist right, along with his low information voting base? Or does he have a deep-seated psychological problem?

As Addicting Info reports here, a slew of psychiatric professionals have been sounding the alarm on Trump’s narcissistic personality disorder.


Licensed clinical social worker Wendy Terrie Behary pointed out that narcissists often have a deliberately distorted interpretation of reality. As she explained to Vanity Fair,

“Narcissists are not necessarily liars, but they are notoriously uncomfortable with the truth. The truth means the potential to feel ashamed. If all they have to show the world as a source of feeling acceptable is their success and performance, be it in business or sports or celebrity, then the risk of people seeing them fail or squander their success is so difficult to their self-esteem that they feel ashamed. We call it the narcissistic injury. They’re uncomfortable with their own limitations. It’s not that they’re cut out to lie, it’s just that they can’t handle what’s real.”

Trump may have spoken in error, but his narcissistic personality will never allow him to admit that he was wrong or that he made a mistake. He’ll likely stand by these lies until the day he dies, because he is unable to admit or even believe that he could possibly be wrong about anything."===http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/11/23/...ump-video/
#2
C C Offline
I suppose there's the remote possibility of him having a senior-moment of the kind that conflates two different memories together. One involving a retrospective geographical dislocation of the Palestinian celebrations after 9-11. Shifting them from their original televised context to a confused "watching it happen locally with an Islamic crowd". But I very much doubt it due to the sustained and unrelenting assertion.

The Palestinian celebrations themselves might have been staged or a misidentified activity, though that theory might as much be suspect as active historical revisionism for the sake of repairing political relations.
#3
elte Offline
I don't think he actually wanted to get elected.  He was trying to rile up his followers to want his agenda.
#4
C C Offline
(Nov 29, 2015 12:32 AM)elte Wrote: I don't think he actually wanted to get elected.  He was trying to rile up his followers to want his agenda.

Apparently Trump finally realized how alarming this surprising and remarkable immunity he has was becoming this late in the game. Other candidates would have been skewered long before this without having to resort to stunts of this magnitude to get lower polling numbers. His ascension over these months has been almost as improbable as the scenario in "Being There", but with a narcissist magnate slash decisive aggressor replacing Seller's opposite gardener character.

Trump drops 12 percentage points in poll


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