True ghost tales

(Oct 11, 2016 06:34 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Oct 11, 2016 05:35 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Oct 11, 2016 05:25 AM)Syne Wrote: This is called "shifting the burden of proof", where you take some belief of yours and demand that others prove you wrong when the burden for your belief rest on you. This is either lazy or intellectually dishonest.

It's not a belief. It's eyewitness accounts of the paranormal. Belief has nothing to do with it.

Unless you are the eyewitness, it is your belief that they may be credible.

The accounts are eyewitness accounts. My belief has nothing to do with it. If you have some evidence showing them not to be eyewitness accounts, let's see it. If not then move the fuck on.

(Oct 11, 2016 07:09 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Oct 11, 2016 06:34 AM)Syne Wrote: Unless you are the eyewitness, it is your belief that they may be credible.

The accounts are eyewitness accounts. My belief has nothing to do with it. If you have some evidence showing them not to be eyewitness accounts, let's see it. If not then move the fuck on.

LOL! So no one, ever, could have faulty perceptions, lie to seek attention, mental illness, or fail to disclose using drugs? LOL!

The questionable reliability of eyewitnesses is well-known. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness...eliability

If you accept all eyewitness accounts as reliable, then yes, it is your belief at play, because objective evidence of witness reliability says otherwise. This includes DNA evidence freeing people convicted by false eyewitness accounts. Or do you also believe that all those false eyewitness accounts had to be malicious?

And then again, do you believe eyewitness accounts of seeing god, or an angel? If not, why ghosts but not these? What is the objective difference? Is there any?


You seem to suffer from a pernicious mix of persecutory delusion and projective identification.

(Oct 11, 2016 07:37 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Oct 11, 2016 07:09 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Oct 11, 2016 06:34 AM)Syne Wrote: Unless you are the eyewitness, it is your belief that they may be credible.

The accounts are eyewitness accounts. My belief has nothing to do with it. If you have some evidence showing them not to be eyewitness accounts, let's see it. If not then move the fuck on.

LOL! So no one, ever, could have faulty perceptions, lie to seek attention, mental illness, or fail to disclose using drugs? LOL!

The questionable reliability of eyewitnesses is well-known. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness...eliability

If you accept all eyewitness accounts as reliable, then yes, it is your belief at play, because objective evidence of witness reliability says otherwise. This includes DNA evidence freeing people convicted by false eyewitness accounts. Or do you also believe that all those false eyewitness accounts had to be malicious?

And then again, do you believe eyewitness accounts of seeing god, or an angel? If not, why ghosts but not these? What is the objective difference? Is there any?


You seem to suffer from a pernicious mix of persecutory delusion and projective identification.

Blah blah blah..same old boring ad homs and ad hoc science articles on the unreliability of human sight. You guys really need to get some new material...

(Oct 11, 2016 05:19 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:I don't think you're a stupid guy/gal and both of us know that trying to defend against overwhelming scientific evidence is a fool's game. You know that evidence supporting mind trickery is out there, yet you would choose to disbelieve it? Why are you on a science forum?

You'd have to prove with evidence that the people who saw and experienced these paranormal events were hallucinating somehow. And I don't see that happening. There's way too many experiences of the paranormal to be dismissed as mind tricks. It is a real phenomenon.

You are saying that all ghost sightings have nothing to do with mind tricks. You also admit to not believing mind tricks exist despite overwhelming hard scientific evidence they do. Based on your words, because way too many people experience ghosts then they must be real. So when a ghost can be explained as non paranormal, the person who experienced the ghost has lied? I don't see any other conclusion since according to you mind tricks don't exist. There should be no mistake, the mind is dead nuts sure of ghosts in these situations. Narrowing it down then, the phenomenon is either real or someone is knowingly lying about the experience.

A Hostile Light

“This happened at Malmstrom AFB in Montana. Sometime in November, one coworker said he was checking a site (I can’t remember which one) when he spotted a single bright light moving around a farmer’s field outside the restricted area. It started to move towards the site, and he assumed it was hunters with a spotlight. He got on the loudspeaker of his vehicle and gave a warning not to approach the site. Immediately, the light went 0 to 60 directly at their vehicle. The vehicle abruptly turned off, the engine, radio and headlights dying.

He managed to scream into his handheld radio ‘they are going to ram us!’ as his alpha departed the vehicle in a hurry. He threw himself flat across the seat for impact, which never happened because the light appeared to stop on a dime, just short of striking their vehicle. When he sat up, the light was retreating away from them, and quickly moved away till it vanished over a hill. The vehicle suddenly came back to life, engine restarting on its own. How he didn’t soil his shorts, I have no idea.”

http://ghostsnghouls.com/2012/07/07/real...-military/

Is that a ghost story too? What is meant by the word 'true' in the thread title?

Yeah, that sounds like a UFO story.

Aren't stories fun?

"i have been seeing “things” since i was 5 (im 33). if i count every one ill be probably over several dozens. some times are just mild things, like seeing a man in a crowd, lacking any color and wearing clothes from at least a century ago.

other times are more disturbing. for example, this happened to me about 15 years ago (this is the condensed version btw, i already wrote a more detailed account in /r/Thetruthishere) :

meet a cute girl on a rpg reunion, connected instantly and after the reunion was over i offered to scort her to her home.
we arribe to her home, she invites me for coffee, as her parents are sleeping already upstairs.
we chat a good while, then we start to make out. we were on a couch on her living room.
i look behind her and there is a guy sitting on a chair by the dinning table, not more than 12 feet away from us.
he looked like 60 years old, wearing out of date clothes (brown pants, military stile sweater), something very common in the 60s-70s here, but not unheard of today either. he was just sitting there watching us.

i knew that her parents were overprotective, so my first thought whas “fuck, busted by her father”.
i whisper that her father was behind her, she turns around, looks in the general direction where the guy was and tells me “there is no one there”.
i m still seeing the guy sitting there, and while im getting a creepy feeling from the begining, i start to believe that im getting pranked or something like that, so i insist that there is some one there, but this time im getting a little irritated.
she turns around again, starts looking around, and ask me where, i tell her “right there on that chair”. im still seeing him at this time. now she looks intrigued and asks me how is he dressed like. as soon as i describe the clothes, she yells “MOOOOOOOOOM” and scares the shit out of me.
now im not seeing him any more.
but now im seeing her ex military dad and her school teacher mom rush down stairs on their underware thinking that im raping her daugther.

after stoppping her dad from gutting me alive, she asks me to tell her mom what i saw. when im halfway, she (her mother i mean) stops me and finishes the description, including details i didn’t give before, like the shoes.
turns out that the mother, another daugther and her brother have seen that guy every other day for years. just sitting on different places of the house watching them. even following them with his eyes and head when they move around the room.

her mom was very sensitive also, like me, and had dozens of similar experiences. i have talked a lot with her over the years (i still visit her and her family).

im not the kind of “i want to believe” guy, in fact if i had not have this experiences by myself i wont believe any of this, so i can understand skepticism around this.
im not religious btw."

– Posted by misterfk; Reddit

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h1Greys In The Congo
October 3, 2011

"I was in Africa (Congo) during the mid 90’s with the U.S. military giving support to the US embassy because Zaire was having a rebellion (it became the republic of Congo). One night I was out by the fence and one of the Marine guards told me in passing they had been watching some weird shit out in the “jungle” area outside our fence line. I borrowed one of their NVGs (Night Vision Goggles) and after looking out there beyond what you could see with the normal light I could see some strange “people” moving around out there. Short, very very skinny with VERY large heads. One looked our way and the “person” had HUGE eyes (with NVGs everything is green but the light is very magnified so the eyes were easy to see because they reflected light different that the rest of the face”. They never got any closer so we couldn’t hear them"

– Posted by Razorwire_Dave; Reddit

https://personalghoststories.wordpress.c.../military/

The daughter 'knows' that for years an apparent ghost is in the house that everyone except her has seen, yet she still says 'there's no one there',....like asking what are you talking about? hmmmmm ..... Still she's soooo used to this ghost that she has to wake up mom & dad to tell them the familiar ghost that everyone else has seen is present again, just like it shows up every other day on schedule. ...Sorry but this story doesn't pass the test.

Again, what is meant by the word 'true' in the thread title.

I wonder if there is a way (or ever will be a way) to prove that ghosts exist in a scientific way, though? If we can't prove things in a scientific way, does that mean that they don't exist?

Why can't unbelievers simply say ''that's not explainable through science,'' why the need to completely dismiss that ghosts might exist? Just curious on that point.