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Here's an idea (abortion)

#41
RainbowUnicorn Offline
Leftists... Vs ...


the  anti-abortionistas... the fascist federali propaganda machines trying to infect little girls minds with their sick shit.

trying to exert their own sexuality onto pregnant teenagers as a form of punishment through their psychopathic jealously of their sexual freedom.

such a sick bunch of psychiatric patients

constantly trying to psychologically manipulate pregnant teenagers and little girls for their own religious ideological ego trying to punish the little girls and pregnant teenagers in a sadistic transference of their own mental problems and spiritual sickness.

hiding their psychopathy behind the lie they scream saying all life is sacred as an excuse to take ownership of little girls bodies and pregnant teenagers bodies turning them into their ideological slaves.


liars !
slavers !
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#42
Syne Offline
A person only has as much freedom as they are capable of taking responsibility.
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#43
Secular Sanity Offline
(May 22, 2019 01:07 AM)Syne Wrote: Wrong again. It was a sign of solidarity among all the Israelites.

Solidarity? That's hilarious. Well, she was no longer solid, that’s for damn sure, but the event itself, divided, not only her body, but the entire nation. It shows us how one bad decision can lead to another.

A man uses and abuses his wife. She leaves—he fetches her. Men show up at the door to abuse him. He sacrifices her to save his own ass. She was probably dead when he opened the door because he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. Had she not been dead, he would have simply left, but they destroyed his property, and he wanted revenge, not on her behalf, but for his loss. And he again, uses her body to exact his revenge.

Quote:And the Levite, the husband of the woman that was slain, answered and said, I came into Gibeah that belongeth to Benjamin, I and my concubine, to lodge.

And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and beset the house round about upon me by night, and thought to have slain me: and my concubine have they forced, that she is dead.

And I took my concubine, and cut her in pieces, and sent her throughout all the country of the inheritance of Israel: for they have committed lewdness and folly in Israel.

They wanted to execute the men that were responsible but the people of Benjamin wouldn’t release them. They banned together and the battle of Gibeah ensued.

Tu B'Av is a Jewish holiday similar to Valentine’s Day but one of the reasons for celebrating it has a dark past. It’s the day that "the Tribe of Benjamin was allowed to intermarry with the other tribes after the incident of the Concubine of Gibeah."

In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

(May 22, 2019 01:07 AM)Syne Wrote: And? Quit looking at through your ignorant lens of presentism.

You can’t cry presentism, when it comes to religion. That’s the entire foundation of Christianity. We are to use the morals of the stories and apply them to our everyday lives. That’s whole purpose, silly boy.

So, here we are again…with our female parts dividing our entire country.

Hmm…maybe Alyssa Milano was onto something.

Now the men of Israel had sworn in Mizpeh, saying, There shall not any of us give his daughter unto Benjamin to wife.

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EDIT:  I just thought of something. He lied. They didn’t want to slay him. They wanted to "know" him.
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#45
confused2 Offline
Syne makes much of 'presentism'. In 1992 (is that recent enough?) the (nominally Christian) inhabitants of Bosnia set upon the muslims and/or vice versa.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/m...es.balkans
"The international war crimes tribunal at the Hague heard yesterday that "unimaginable horrors" including gang rape, torture and sexual enslavement were perpetrated against Muslim women and girls by Serb troops in the early days of the Bosnian conflict. ".

I respect what Syne says, not because I like it or agree with it but because he might be foretelling the inevitable future of Europe.
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#46
Syne Offline
(May 22, 2019 03:14 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(May 22, 2019 01:07 AM)Syne Wrote: Wrong again. It was a sign of solidarity among all the Israelites.

Solidarity? That's hilarious. Well, she was no longer solid, that’s for damn sure, but the event itself, divided, not only her body, but the entire nation. It shows us how one bad decision can lead to another.

A man uses and abuses his wife. She leaves—he fetches her. Men show up at the door to abuse him. He sacrifices her to save his own ass. She was probably dead when he opened the door because he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. Had she not been dead, he would have simply left, but they destroyed his property, and he wanted revenge, not on her behalf, but for his loss. And he again, uses her body to exact his revenge.
It doesn't say anything about him abusing her, so you're just making shit up to fill the gaps in your comprehension. It actually does say that she cheated on him before running back to her father. "Exact revenge"? It was an affront to all Israel that men would set upon a traveler to rape him. It's like knowing that a fugitive murderer is in the region. If you're a decent person, you make sure your neighbors know the risk.

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Quote:And the Levite, the husband of the woman that was slain, answered and said, I came into Gibeah that belongeth to Benjamin, I and my concubine, to lodge.

And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and beset the house round about upon me by night, and thought to have slain me: and my concubine have they forced, that she is dead.

And I took my concubine, and cut her in pieces, and sent her throughout all the country of the inheritance of Israel: for they have committed lewdness and folly in Israel.

They wanted to execute the men that were responsible but the people of Benjamin wouldn’t release them. They banned together and the battle of Gibeah ensued.

Tu B'Av is a Jewish holiday similar to Valentine’s Day but one of the reasons for celebrating it has a dark past. It’s the day that "the Tribe of Benjamin was allowed to intermarry with the other tribes after the incident of the Concubine of Gibeah."

In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
And? All tribal societies likely had similar internal and external conflicts.

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(May 22, 2019 01:07 AM)Syne Wrote: And? Quit looking at through your ignorant lens of presentism.

You can’t cry presentism, when it comes to religion. That’s the entire foundation of Christianity. We are to use the morals of the stories and apply them to our everyday lives. That’s whole purpose, silly boy.
Welp...can't teach the willfully ignorant. Rolleyes

Quote:So, here we are again…with our female parts dividing our entire country.

Yes, the body parts of female babies...as they are removed one by one after in utero dismembering while alive. And that's not even because anyone wronged the woman. It's just because she doesn't take responsibility for her own choices and actions. It's like she sought out a gang of rapists and proffered her own flesh and blood daughter, knowing full well that she would not only be brutally raped but ultimately killed as well.

But thanks for making such a clear cut analogy between the Bible story and abortion.
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#47
Secular Sanity Offline
(May 23, 2019 02:00 AM)Syne Wrote: It doesn't say anything about him abusing her, so you're just making shit up to fill the gaps in your comprehension. It actually does say that she cheated on him before running back to her father. "Exact revenge"? It was an affront to all Israel that men would set upon a traveler to rape him. It's like knowing that a fugitive murderer is in the region. If you're a decent person, you make sure your neighbors know the risk.

He said that she played the whore against him but she ran to her father’s house. Had she slept with another man, she would have been stoned to death. The father is clearly concerned. He says numerous time, stay comfort thy heart, let thine heart be merry, comfort thine heart, I pray thee that thine heart be merry, which indicates that he wasn’t happy with her.

She was promised to him but ran back to her father because he hated her. He sought to speak kindly to her because he lied. He couldn’t put her away because he knew that she was still a virgin and that her father could prove this. 

Addendum: That’s why she’s referred to as a damsel, but he also, the son in-law. It was an unconsummated marriage.

The laws were clear.

Marriage Violations Deuteronomy 22

Quote:If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,  And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:  Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:  And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;  And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.  And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.

But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:  Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

The key element to this story is that she was silent. Had she cried out…

Quote:If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die: But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

(May 22, 2019 03:14 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: EDIT: I just thought of something. He lied. They didn’t want to slay him. They wanted to "know" him.

Oh, I see why he used the term slay. Nevertheless, that wasn’t their original intent.

Quote:But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die: But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter.

Another key element in this case is that there were two other men, who could have saved her, but chose not to. They forced her to go with them. Therefore, there was no reason for her to cry unto them. 

According to the laws in those days, (not presentism) I hereby find the Levite guilty of murder in the first degree.

(May 23, 2019 01:00 AM)confused2 Wrote: Syne makes much of 'presentism'. In 1992 (is that recent enough?) the (nominally Christian) inhabitants of  Bosnia set upon the muslims and/or vice versa.

I thought the same thing, and when I read this...  

(May 22, 2019 01:07 AM)Syne Wrote: There are Christian adoption agencies that the left is trying to shut down.

I thought about the children of Tuam.
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#48
Syne Offline
(May 23, 2019 02:44 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(May 23, 2019 02:00 AM)Syne Wrote: It doesn't say anything about him abusing her, so you're just making shit up to fill the gaps in your comprehension. It actually does say that she cheated on him before running back to her father. "Exact revenge"? It was an affront to all Israel that men would set upon a traveler to rape him. It's like knowing that a fugitive murderer is in the region. If you're a decent person, you make sure your neighbors know the risk.

He said that she played the whore against him but she ran to her father’s house. Had she slept with another man, she would have been stoned to death. The father is clearly concerned. He says numerous time, stay comfort thy heart, let thine heart be merry, comfort thine heart, I pray thee that thine heart be merry, which indicates that he wasn’t happy with her.

She was promised to him but ran back to her father because he hated her. He sought to speak kindly to her because he lied. He couldn’t put her away because he knew that she was still a virgin and that her father could prove this. 

Addendum: That’s why she’s referred to as a damsel, but he also, the son in-law. It was an unconsummated marriage.

The laws were clear.
You're still making up shit that's not in the Levite's concubine story. And you are the one who just quoted the verse saying "In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes." "Every man [doing] that which was right in his own eyes" is not rigidly following the laws. So that contradicts you quoting the laws. Rolleyes

Quote:According to the laws in those days, (not presentism) I hereby find the Levite guilty of murder in the first degree.
Again, you already quoted it saying the law did not apply, much less prove any contemporary wrong doing on the Levite's part.
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#49
confused2 Offline
The modern commentry (KJV) translated in 1611 put a Wiki style flag on the biblical text - this article falls below the standard required.

My interpretation.

The Levite had two asses, also a servant and a girl. Could this be the kind of kid of rich that drives through town in his Porche - beeping the horn - and pulling up at the most expensive hotel in town? He's in a town with no hotel. The locals aren't exactly ignoring him but none of them want to take in this Porche Guy. Eventually someone takes pity on him - or more likely the servant and the girl - and takes them in. Later the local drunks track down Porche Guy and offer him the ride of his life. His host offers ... no, this is pure fabrication. Porche Guy sees a way to get rid of the stroppy girl and shoves her out through the door and locks it behind her. The drunks rape the girl and put her back where she came from in the morning - they have no quarrel with her. They might even have left a bottle of wine to say "Thank you." to Porche Guy for what they might reasonably assume was a free night with his hired whore. Even then.. nah, forget 'even then', that would be presentism nonsense again. Men have loved their wives and their daughters since the dawn of time. Rape has always been a serious offence in any community. Porche Guy set up the local drunks by saying (or implying) - no problem - I'm Porche Guy, I'm paying for her, she is my property and you can do whatever you like with her.

There are three witnesses and only the wife's account matters.

After what he has done Porche Guy needs her dead. Her only chance is to pretend to be dead which might have worked but for the next part of the plan. Porche Guy is obviously from an important family - when he gets home he cuts her up (dead or alive) into twelve parts and sends the parts and his story to other important families in the region. Back in the day it would be assumed that anyone from a good (rich) family would always tell the truth - or is that presentism?
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#50
RainbowUnicorn Offline
(May 23, 2019 01:00 AM)confused2 Wrote: Syne makes much of 'presentism'. In 1992 (is that recent enough?) the (nominally Christian) inhabitants of  Bosnia set upon the muslims and/or vice versa.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/m...es.balkans
"The international war crimes tribunal at the Hague heard yesterday that "unimaginable horrors" including gang rape, torture and sexual enslavement were perpetrated against Muslim women and girls by Serb troops in the early days of the Bosnian conflict. ".

I respect what Syne says, not because I like it or agree with it but because he might be foretelling the inevitable future of Europe.

i remember reading in the news and watching war journalists filming as they went in  into rape-towns they had set up

they put women and girls into ethnically cleansed areas and then came in groups to pack raped them.
little girls, young women,
old ones were killed.


ones that ran away were tortured to death.

exactly the same type of human depravity that the nazis put upon hungarians pollish russians etc... and the same thing isil do in africa abducting young girls as sexual slaves.


is syne being an apologist for them ?
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