(May 18, 2019 10:27 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: put puberty delaying drugs in the town water supply
that should work well
just copy the flint poor person poisoning campaign.
and also embrace the religious conservatives and hard liners and start marrying girls at at 10 to old men like they want to return back to the good ol days.
all pure and godly
that will solve all them nasty gays... i mean abolitionists.... i mean abortions...
Ha-ha!
You heard the man. The bible is pretty damn clear on protecting the innocent.
Thou shalt not kill but sacrifice your son.
Thou shalt not kill, but send out a concubine to be raped, and then chop up her body into twelve pieces.
Thou shalt not kill, but kill all the boys, and the non-virgin women.
Thou shall not kill—yada yada yada…
Here's an idea. 12 year olds could come back in vogue, you know, if we forced everyone to submit their DNA, and sorted out all the little kiddies with low life expectancy. I mean…they're going to die soon anyway, right? Why not make them into human transport vessels. We could call the company Space XX. No, that’s probably too similar to Elon’s trademark. How 'bout Handmaiden’s? No, probably a copyright on that one, too. Damn it! Oh, I know…how 'bout we sort out the best sperm that will be transported into the future and we call it Right Wiener’s?
Quote:The Bible is pretty clear on protecting the innocent...like against being killed before even having a chance to live outside the womb.
Yeah like that law in Exodus that says if a man cause a woman with child to lose her baby in a scuffle with another man he must only pay her a fine. Obviously even back then the killing of a fetus wasn't seen as murder like you fanatics claim it is.
Exodus 21:22-25:
"And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no [further] injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any [further] injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
This translation suggests that if a miscarriage takes place and the child is lost, the antagonists are simply fined, but if the mother dies in the scuffle, then the penalty is "life for life." In the Torah, it seems, the unborn is not considered fully human.
Theologian Millard Erickson notes that in this view, "the lex talionis [life for life] is applied only if the mother is harmed. On this basis it is concluded that the fetus was not considered a soul or a person, and thus is not to be thought of as fully human."---- https://www.str.org/articles/what-exodus...OCZcchKjIW
Quote:So...that's a hard "no" on learning a little science. Ignorant people can't risk facts.
Again, people don't think they know what god wants. Everything being god's will is just a logical consequence of any possible omnipotent being. And a good many of their neighbors are just as ignorant as you.
Fact is you don’t know shit about a god. I’m done here.
Go pro-choice.
Convenient way to quell cognitive dissonance.
Quit being pro-killing-human-life, and just out of convenience at that.
(May 18, 2019 10:53 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(May 18, 2019 10:27 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: put puberty delaying drugs in the town water supply
that should work well
just copy the flint poor person poisoning campaign.
and also embrace the religious conservatives and hard liners and start marrying girls at at 10 to old men like they want to return back to the good ol days.
all pure and godly
that will solve all them nasty gays... i mean abolitionists.... i mean abortions...
Ha-ha!
You heard the man. The bible is pretty damn clear on protecting the innocent.
Thou shalt not kill but sacrifice your son.
Thou shalt not kill, but send out a concubine to be raped, and then chop up her body into twelve pieces.
Thou shalt not kill, but kill all the boys, and the non-virgin women.
Thou shall not kill—yada yada yada…
Here's an idea. 12 year olds could come back in vogue, you know, if we forced everyone to submit their DNA, and sorted out all the little kiddies with low life expectancy. I mean…they're going to die soon anyway, right? Why not make them into human transport vessels. We could call the company Space XX. No, that’s probably too similar to Elon’s trademark. How 'bout Handmaiden’s? No, probably a copyright on that one, too. Damn it! Oh, I know…how 'bout we sort out the best sperm that will be transported into the future and we call it Right Wiener’s?
Puberty blockers can permanently affect the ability to have children, so that is doing harm, not protecting.
The son wasn't sacrificed. One was a test, and the other was voluntary.
He didn't send her out to be killed.
War is not murder.
Yada, yada, ignorant twaddle.
Norms based on lifespan are not formed on an individual basis, they are an average that populations adapt to over time.
(May 19, 2019 12:54 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:The Bible is pretty clear on protecting the innocent...like against being killed before even having a chance to live outside the womb.
Yeah like that law in Exodus that says if a man cause a woman with child to lose her baby in a scuffle with another man he must only pay her a fine. Obviously even back then the killing of a fetus wasn't seen as murder like you fanatics claim it is.
Exodus 21:22-25:
"And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no [further] injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any [further] injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
This translation suggests that if a miscarriage takes place and the child is lost, the antagonists are simply fined, but if the mother dies in the scuffle, then the penalty is "life for life." In the Torah, it seems, the unborn is not considered fully human.
Theologian Millard Erickson notes that in this view, "the lex talionis [life for life] is applied only if the mother is harmed. On this basis it is concluded that the fetus was not considered a soul or a person, and thus is not to be thought of as fully human."---- https://www.str.org/articles/what-exodus...OCZcchKjIW
Warren's proposal would have the federal government guarantee patient access to reproductive health care by undoing the Hyde amendment, a rule preventing federal money from going to abortion services, and by passing a law prohibiting insurers from restricting abortion.
Notably, Warren said "all future health coverage — including Medicare for All — includes contraception and abortion coverage."
So she would have US taxpayers funding killing human life against their will and conscience. I fail to see how that fundamentally differs from forcing abortionists to provide the service for free, as both force people to participate in something against their will, whether forcing them to pay or forcing them to provide an unpaid service. If you can't see the parallel, you're blinded by your own bias.
(May 19, 2019 02:42 AM)Syne Wrote: Puberty blockers can permanently affect the ability to have children, so that is doing harm, not protecting.
No shit, Sherlock. ^whoosh
Syne Wrote:The son wasn't sacrificed. One was a test, and the other was voluntary.
He didn't send her out to be killed.
War is not murder.
Yada, yada, ignorant twaddle.
Well, either you’re just fucking with me, but that might be giving you too much credit, or you’re an ignorant Christian apologist. Hmm…or just bored. Are you wearing an ankle bracelet?
(May 18, 2019 05:22 PM)Syne Wrote: The Bible is pretty clear on protecting the innocent...like against being killed before even having a chance to live outside the womb. And with the high infant mortality of the day, any child was a blessing.
The Christian God does not protect the innocent. He’s used to justify, not only war, but genocide, as well.
As the story goes...they wanted to have sex with his daughters, not the concubine, but he pushes the concubine out to the angry perverts. She’s ganged raped, tortured, and tossed back onto his doorsteps. He takes the knife and cuts her into twelve pieces, and sends them to Israel like a sacrificial lamb.
Quote:…Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
…Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
…Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
The bible is full of violence in the name of God. You know that. What gives? Hmm...maybe we should try to diagnosis you for a change. Borderline personality disorder? That would be my guess.
SyneMay 20, 2019 02:56 AM (This post was last modified: May 20, 2019 02:58 AM by Syne.)
(May 20, 2019 01:57 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(May 19, 2019 02:42 AM)Syne Wrote: Puberty blockers can permanently affect the ability to have children, so that is doing harm, not protecting.
No shit, Sherlock. ^whoosh
Obviously responding to RU's comment. ^whoosh
Quote:
Syne Wrote:The son wasn't sacrificed. One was a test, and the other was voluntary.
He didn't send her out to be killed.
War is not murder.
Yada, yada, ignorant twaddle.
Well, either you’re just fucking with me, but that might be giving you too much credit, or you’re an ignorant Christian apologist. Hmm…or just bored. Are you wearing an ankle bracelet?
Sad ad hominems in lieu of justifying any of your ignorant claims.
Hell, you can't even seem to manage to support your poisoning of the well itself.
Quote:
(May 18, 2019 05:22 PM)Syne Wrote: The Bible is pretty clear on protecting the innocent...like against being killed before even having a chance to live outside the womb. And with the high infant mortality of the day, any child was a blessing.
The Christian God does not protect the innocent. He’s used to justify, not only war, but genocide, as well.
Again, war is not murder.
Quote:As the story goes...they wanted to have sex with his daughters, not the concubine, but he pushes the concubine out to the angry perverts. She’s ganged raped, tortured, and tossed back onto his doorsteps. He takes the knife and cuts her into twelve pieces, and sends them to Israel like a sacrificial lamb.
Quote:…Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
…Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
…Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
The bible is full of violence in the name of God. You know that. What gives? Hmm...maybe we should try to diagnosis you for a change. Borderline personality disorder? That would be my guess.
Wow, what a deluge of obvious ignorance.
No, the mob wanted to rape the Levite himself (not his daughters), who instead, at the suggestion of his host, offered his concubine. She was dead on the doorstep the next morning ("They raped my concubine, and she died."), before he dismembered her body and sent one to each region of Israel, as he considered it an attack against all Israelites. The tribe of Benjamin would not turn over the perpetrators for punishment. The other Israelites killed Benjamites who were "armed with swords".
You're conflating that story from Judges with another from 2 Kings.
In the thirty-ninth year of Azariah king of Judah, Menahem son of Gadi became king of Israel, and he reigned in Samaria ten years. He did evil in the eyes of the Lord. During his entire reign he did not turn away from the sins of Jeroboam son of Nebat, which he had caused Israel to commit.
God did not sanction, e.g. "did evil in the eyes of the Lord", Menahem ripping open all the pregnant women. IOW, not in the name of god, little miss biased ignorance.
Man, you're bias makes you conflate wholly unrelated stories and ignore what each actual says. Hope that makes you feel good about yourself.
Syne Wrote:No, the mob wanted to rape the Levite himself (not his daughters), who instead, at the suggestion of his host, offered his concubine. She was dead on the doorstep the next morning ("They raped my concubine, and she died."), before he dismembered her body and sent one to each region of Israel, as he considered it an attack against all Israelites. The tribe of Benjamin would not turn over the perpetrators for punishment. The other Israelites killed Benjamites who were "armed with swords".
Oh, right. I forgot about that. Egads!
Well, we certainly wouldn’t want that now, would we? You’re right, it’s much better to sacrifice your virgin daughters and concubine.
Quote:In Judges 19, a Levite's concubine leaves him to return home to Bethlehem. After four months, her husband visits her father's home and attempts to persuade her to go back with him. On the fifth day, the concubine leaves with the Levite. They travel to Gibeah, looking for a place to spend the night. An old man sees the Levite and the concubine waiting in the square. He invites them to spend the night at his home. While there, the perverse men of the city pound on the door requesting the old man to bring out the Levite in order to have sex with him. When the old man offers his virgin daughter and the concubine instead, they refuse. The Levite then forces his concubine into the hands of the mob. She is beaten and raped throughout the night.
In the morning, the concubine is found by the Levite on the doorstep of the old man's house. He tells her to get up and when there is no reply, he places her on the back of his donkey and travels home. Upon arrival, he takes a knife and cuts the concubine's body into twelve pieces, sending the parts out through the land of Israel. [Wikipedia]
Syne Wrote:No, the mob wanted to rape the Levite himself (not his daughters), who instead, at the suggestion of his host, offered his concubine. She was dead on the doorstep the next morning ("They raped my concubine, and she died."), before he dismembered her body and sent one to each region of Israel, as he considered it an attack against all Israelites. The tribe of Benjamin would not turn over the perpetrators for punishment. The other Israelites killed Benjamites who were "armed with swords".
Oh, right. I forgot about that. Egads!
Well, we certainly wouldn’t want that now, would we? You’re right, it’s much better to sacrifice your virgin daughters and concubine.
Quote:In Judges 19, a Levite's concubine leaves him to return home to Bethlehem. After four months, her husband visits her father's home and attempts to persuade her to go back with him. On the fifth day, the concubine leaves with the Levite. They travel to Gibeah, looking for a place to spend the night. An old man sees the Levite and the concubine waiting in the square. He invites them to spend the night at his home. While there, the perverse men of the city pound on the door requesting the old man to bring out the Levite in order to have sex with him. When the old man offers his virgin daughter and the concubine instead, they refuse. The Levite then forces his concubine into the hands of the mob. She is beaten and raped throughout the night.
In the morning, the concubine is found by the Levite on the doorstep of the old man's house. He tells her to get up and when there is no reply, he places her on the back of his donkey and travels home. Upon arrival, he takes a knife and cuts the concubine's body into twelve pieces, sending the parts out through the land of Israel. [Wikipedia]
Since women were property in those times, it was certainly more appropriate to offer them for heterosexual sex than for a host to offer his guest, who ostensibly was under his protection, for homosexual rape. And there was no indication that the abuse that led to her death was expected. But again, I get the sense that you are viewing it through your fallacious presentism.
So...you're just going to pretend you didn't get a bunch of other stuff wrong there, huh?
What were you saying about "ignorant Christian apologist"? You obviously can't back that up, as you've spectacularly demonstrated.
(May 20, 2019 04:29 AM)Syne Wrote: Since women were property in those times, it was certainly more appropriate to offer them for heterosexual sex than for a host to offer his guest, who ostensibly was under his protection, for homosexual rape. And there was no indication that the abuse that led to her death was expected. But again, I get the sense that you are viewing it through your fallacious presentism.
Yeah, homosexual rape is more vile, isn't it?
1 And it came to pass in those days, when there was no king in Israel, that there was a certain Levite sojourning on the side of mount Ephraim, who took to him a concubine out of Bethlehemjudah.
2 And his concubine played the whore against him, and went away from him unto her father's house to Bethlehemjudah, and was there four whole months.
3 And her husband arose, and went after her, to speak friendly unto her, and to bring her again, having his servant with him, and a couple of asses: and she brought him into her father's house: and when the father of the damsel saw him, he rejoiced to meet him.
4 And his father in law, the damsel's father, retained him; and he abode with him three days: so they did eat and drink, and lodged there.
5 And it came to pass on the fourth day, when they arose early in the morning, that he rose up to depart: and the damsel's father said unto his son in law, Comfort thine heart with a morsel of bread, and afterward go your way.
6 And they sat down, and did eat and drink both of them together: for the damsel's father had said unto the man, Be content, I pray thee, and tarry all night, and let thine heart be merry.
7 And when the man rose up to depart, his father in law urged him: therefore he lodged there again.
8 And he arose early in the morning on the fifth day to depart; and the damsel's father said, Comfort thine heart, I pray thee. And they tarried until afternoon, and they did eat both of them.
9 And when the man rose up to depart, he, and his concubine, and his servant, his father in law, the damsel's father, said unto him, Behold, now the day draweth toward evening, I pray you tarry all night: behold, the day groweth to an end, lodge here, that thine heart may be merry; and to morrow get you early on your way, that thou mayest go home.
10 But the man would not tarry that night, but he rose up and departed, and came over against Jebus, which is Jerusalem; and there were with him two asses saddled, his concubine also was with him.
11 And when they were by Jebus, the day was far spent; and the servant said unto his master, Come, I pray thee, and let us turn in into this city of the Jebusites, and lodge in it.
12 And his master said unto him, We will not turn aside hither into the city of a stranger, that is not of the children of Israel; we will pass over to Gibeah.
13 And he said unto his servant, Come, and let us draw near to one of these places to lodge all night, in Gibeah, or in Ramah.
14 And they passed on and went their way; and the sun went down upon them when they were by Gibeah, which belongeth to Benjamin.
15 And they turned aside thither, to go in and to lodge in Gibeah: and when he went in, he sat him down in a street of the city: for there was no man that took them into his house to lodging.
16 And, behold, there came an old man from his work out of the field at even, which was also of mount Ephraim; and he sojourned in Gibeah: but the men of the place were Benjamites.
17 And when he had lifted up his eyes, he saw a wayfaring man in the street of the city: and the old man said, Whither goest thou? and whence comest thou?
18 And he said unto him, We are passing from Bethlehemjudah toward the side of mount Ephraim; from thence am I: and I went to Bethlehemjudah, but I am now going to the house of the LORD; and there is no man that receiveth me to house.
19 Yet there is both straw and provender for our asses; and there is bread and wine also for me, and for thy handmaid, and for the young man which is with thy servants: there is no want of any thing.
20 And the old man said, Peace be with thee; howsoever let all thy wants lie upon me; only lodge not in the street.
21 So he brought him into his house, and gave provender unto the asses: and they washed their feet, and did eat and drink.
22 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.
23 And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.
24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.
25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.
26 Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light.
27 And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold.
28 And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place.
29 And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.
30 And it was so, that all that saw it said, There was no such deed done nor seen from the day that the children of Israel came up out of the land of Egypt unto this day: consider of it, take advice, and speak your minds.
Syne Wrote:So...you're just going to pretend you didn't get a bunch of other stuff wrong there, huh?
What were you saying about "ignorant Christian apologist"? You obviously can't back that up, as you've spectacularly demonstrated.
Quote:Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
Commentary on Hosea 13:9-16
Israel had destroyed himself by his rebellion; but he could not save himself, his help was from the Lord only. This may well be applied to the case of spiritual redemption, from that lost state into which all have fallen by willful sins. God often gives in displeasure what we sinfully desire. It is the happiness of the saints, that, whether God gives or takes away, all is in love. But it is the misery of the wicked, that, whether God gives or takes away, it is all in wrath, nothing is comfortable. Except sinners repent and believe the gospel, anguish will soon come upon them. The prophecy of the ruin of Israel as a nation, also showed there would be a merciful and powerful interposition of God, to save a remnant of them. Yet this was but a shadow of the ransom of the true Israel, by the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. He will destroy death and the grave. The Lord would not repent of his purpose and promise. Yet, in the meantime, Israel would be desolated for her sins. Without fruitfulness in good works, springing from the Holy Spirit, all other fruitfulness will be found as empty as the uncertain riches of the world. The wrath of God will wither its branches, its sprigs shall be dried up, it shall come to nothing. Woes, more terrible than any from the cruelest warfare, shall fall on those who rebel against God. From such miseries, and from sin, the cause of them, may the Lord deliver us.
Syne Wrote:I get the sense that you are viewing it through your fallacious presentism.
Presentism? WTF? Let’s not forgot what you threw down, little buddy. THUNK!
Syne Wrote:The Bible is pretty clear on protecting the innocent.
That's right...the bible, i.e., GOD!
I think that most Christians would reject presentism when it comes to their God’s unchanging nature and divine timelessness.
Nice try, though.
Man, your quivering cognitive dissonance and biases run deep, don’t they?
But don't let that stop your ignorant little fantasies.
confused2May 20, 2019 09:30 PM (This post was last modified: May 20, 2019 10:41 PM by confused2.)
From the story about giving the concubine to the mob...
Quote:30 And it was so, that all that saw it said, There was no such deed done nor seen from the day that the children of Israel came up out of the land of Egypt unto this day: consider of it, take advice, and speak your minds.
^^ is that a normal way to finish a story - like there's something hidden in it?
So .. taking advice...
The Levite takes a concubine (out of Bethlehemjudah). By 'takes' it seems they were married. She runs off home to her father in Bethlehemjudah. The Levite follows his wife to Bethlehemjudah. The wife's father welcomes his son in law and tries to stop him leaving (probably) because he loves his daughter/damsel aka the Levite's wife/concubine.
The asses and the servant play no part in the plot.
How am I doing so far?
Eventually the Levite leaves with his wife, servant and asses.
With some attempt to blame the servant they stop in a town that isn't particularly hospitable to Levites. Probably some history there but this doesn't affect the real issue.
A random native takes in the Levite with his wife (aka concubine), servant and the asses with no obvious malicious intent.
A mob appear and ask for the Levite to be sent out so they can bugger him - probably some history behind this (present day view) rather unusual request.
Some compromise is reached and the men send the Levite's wife out to be gang raped.
I think we are asked to believe that the woman found her way back to the house from which she was handed over to the mob. In a strange town in an age before street lights and street signs - personally I don't think she could have got there on her own. So one way or another she ends up back on the doorstep - the story teller seems to want us to believe she was alive when she got there. Is this part being slipped past the censor? Did she not call out? Did not the person that put her there bang on the door to let them know she was back? Is the real story that the man left left his wife to die on the doorstep?
Advice please.
There's more - please fill in that too if you can.
The story again-
1 And it came to pass in those days, when there was no king in Israel, that there was a certain Levite sojourning on the side of mount Ephraim, who took to him a concubine out of Bethlehemjudah.
2 And his concubine played the whore against him, and went away from him unto her father's house to Bethlehemjudah, and was there four whole months.
3 And her husband arose, and went after her, to speak friendly unto her, and to bring her again, having his servant with him, and a couple of asses: and she brought him into her father's house: and when the father of the damsel saw him, he rejoiced to meet him.
4 And his father in law, the damsel's father, retained him; and he abode with him three days: so they did eat and drink, and lodged there.
5 And it came to pass on the fourth day, when they arose early in the morning, that he rose up to depart: and the damsel's father said unto his son in law, Comfort thine heart with a morsel of bread, and afterward go your way.
6 And they sat down, and did eat and drink both of them together: for the damsel's father had said unto the man, Be content, I pray thee, and tarry all night, and let thine heart be merry.
7 And when the man rose up to depart, his father in law urged him: therefore he lodged there again.
8 And he arose early in the morning on the fifth day to depart; and the damsel's father said, Comfort thine heart, I pray thee. And they tarried until afternoon, and they did eat both of them.
9 And when the man rose up to depart, he, and his concubine, and his servant, his father in law, the damsel's father, said unto him, Behold, now the day draweth toward evening, I pray you tarry all night: behold, the day groweth to an end, lodge here, that thine heart may be merry; and to morrow get you early on your way, that thou mayest go home.
10 But the man would not tarry that night, but he rose up and departed, and came over against Jebus, which is Jerusalem; and there were with him two asses saddled, his concubine also was with him.
11 And when they were by Jebus, the day was far spent; and the servant said unto his master, Come, I pray thee, and let us turn in into this city of the Jebusites, and lodge in it.
12 And his master said unto him, We will not turn aside hither into the city of a stranger, that is not of the children of Israel; we will pass over to Gibeah.
13 And he said unto his servant, Come, and let us draw near to one of these places to lodge all night, in Gibeah, or in Ramah.
14 And they passed on and went their way; and the sun went down upon them when they were by Gibeah, which belongeth to Benjamin.
15 And they turned aside thither, to go in and to lodge in Gibeah: and when he went in, he sat him down in a street of the city: for there was no man that took them into his house to lodging.
16 And, behold, there came an old man from his work out of the field at even, which was also of mount Ephraim; and he sojourned in Gibeah: but the men of the place were Benjamites.
17 And when he had lifted up his eyes, he saw a wayfaring man in the street of the city: and the old man said, Whither goest thou? and whence comest thou?
18 And he said unto him, We are passing from Bethlehemjudah toward the side of mount Ephraim; from thence am I: and I went to Bethlehemjudah, but I am now going to the house of the LORD; and there is no man that receiveth me to house.
19 Yet there is both straw and provender for our asses; and there is bread and wine also for me, and for thy handmaid, and for the young man which is with thy servants: there is no want of any thing.
20 And the old man said, Peace be with thee; howsoever let all thy wants lie upon me; only lodge not in the street.
21 So he brought him into his house, and gave provender unto the asses: and they washed their feet, and did eat and drink.
22 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.
23 And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.
24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.
25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.
26 Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light.
27 And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold.
28 And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place.
29 And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.
30 And it was so, that all that saw it said, There was no such deed done nor seen from the day that the children of Israel came up out of the land of Egypt unto this day: consider of it, take advice, and speak your minds.
Edit - in an oral telling you could make clear she was banging on the door - screaming - begging for help. A man might just choose not to write that bit down.
A twelth part of a woman would mean nothing without some written explanation. What would the note say?
"I have killed my wife."?
Something else?
May 18, 2019 10:53 PM
