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Magical Realist
Apr 25, 2019 04:04 AM
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Here's some of his replies to shitty debunk videos. The skeptics will make up anything to confirm their belief.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQLmQZLQ5Ic
(Apr 25, 2019 03:51 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: You're going to like this one Syne. If you haven't already, go to MR post #70 and watch this guy's upside down drinking glass explode on his Ouija board, it's the bottom link.
Then watch this next link .... start at 7:45 mark and watch. Doesn't take long from there. The link is in Italian but the language has no bearing on what transpires.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wR6vr20VwE
It's called, believe it or not, Bologna Glass/Bottle. Interesting item. Let's call it Fizz-icks in action.
Bologna Glass:
Quote:A Bologna bottle, also known as a Bologna phial or philosophical vial, is a glassbottle which has great external strength, often used in physics demonstrations and magic tricks. ... It is created by heating a glass bottle and then rapidly cooling the outside whilst slowly cooling the inside.
A parlor trick. I cannot imagine what it takes to believe a poltergeist is responsible for breaking the glass in Post 70. If you have to incorporate a simple magician's trick into your real poltergeist video then the entire video is suspect and probably a fraud, definitely not evidence of a ghost. Plain and simple.
First he's a special effects guru, and now he's a professional magician. It's really gett'n deep here.
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Zinjanthropos
Apr 25, 2019 04:30 AM
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Quote:First he's a special effects guru, and now he's a professional magician. It's really gett'n deep here.
Do I detect a different tone? Aren't you supposed to be denying the validity of the evidence against your claim?
Pretty obvious he made a huge mistake with that glass breaking video. Like most successful fraudsters he got too complacent and simply carried the poltergeist thing too far. He is your authority and might as well be saying he's making things up. Nope, this poltergeist claim is dead, no use trying to revive it. Mellowbird took the ghost out of the game with that one stupid trick. Have to admit, his videos were good but he wasn't.... in the end.
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Magical Realist
Apr 25, 2019 04:40 AM
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(Apr 25, 2019 04:30 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Quote:First he's a special effects guru, and now he's a professional magician. It's really gett'n deep here.
Do I detect a different tone? Aren't you supposed to be denying the validity of the evidence against your claim?
Pretty obvious he made a huge mistake with that glass breaking video. Like most successful fraudsters he got too complacent and simply carried the poltergeist thing too far. He is your authority and might as well be saying he's making things up. Nope, this poltergeist claim is dead, no use trying to revive it. Mellowbird took the ghost out of the game with that one stupid trick. Have to admit, his videos were good but he wasn't.... in the end.
Wow..giving up so soon? Couldn't track down your dreamed of confession of fakery by Mellowb1rd?One would think your life depended on proving him a fake. But all you got was a cheap magic trick. What happened to all those invisible strings, invisible pulleys, and hidden string pullers?
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Leigha
Apr 25, 2019 04:48 AM
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Maybe we like being afraid, on some subconscious level? And so we go into certain situations, with fear. And it excites us. This is why some of you answered my question in the negative, about being afraid if you were to tour a haunted hotel or prison. Like, fear isn't even on the radar for you. But, for me? Just thinking about it makes me anxious. Because being afraid is an exciting feeling, as much as it is daunting.
Hmm.
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Syne
Apr 25, 2019 04:56 AM
(Apr 25, 2019 03:48 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Quote:Why isn't MR also claiming that illusionists are really doing magic, by way of the same psychic powers a poltergeist might use?
Because no professional magician is claiming to do real magic. Why should I attribute to them claims they never made?
"Illusion" is just a cover for real magic, that most people will accept. I thought you knew that.
(Apr 25, 2019 04:04 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: First he's a special effects guru, and now he's a professional magician. It's really gett'n deep here.
Anyone can learn all this, video compositing or magic tricks, for free online. No professional or guru anything required.
But that assumption is telling...of either your true belief or your astounding ignorance.
(Apr 25, 2019 03:51 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: You're going to like this one Syne. If you haven't already, go to MR post #70 and watch this guy's upside down drinking glass explode on his Ouija board, it's the bottom link.
Then watch this next link .... start at 7:45 mark and watch. Doesn't take long from there. The link is in Italian but the language has no bearing on what transpires.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wR6vr20VwE
It's called, believe it or not, Bologna Glass/Bottle. Interesting item. Let's call it Fizz-icks in action.
Bologna Glass:
Quote:A Bologna bottle, also known as a Bologna phial or philosophical vial, is a glassbottle which has great external strength, often used in physics demonstrations and magic tricks. ... It is created by heating a glass bottle and then rapidly cooling the outside whilst slowly cooling the inside.
A parlor trick. I cannot imagine what it takes to believe a poltergeist is responsible for breaking the glass in Post 70. If you have to incorporate a simple magician's trick into your real poltergeist video then the entire video is suspect and probably a fraud, definitely not evidence of a ghost. Plain and simple.
Time to remove Mellowbird from the list of believables.
Good one. I hadn't even bothered to watch that Ouija board one before. Exact same trick.
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Zinjanthropos
Apr 25, 2019 04:58 AM
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Quote:Wow..giving up so soon? One would think your life depended on proving him a fake. But all you got was a cheap magic trick. What happened to all those invisible strings, invisible pulleys, and hidden string pullers?
Not at all. Strings and their hardware are difficult to prove in a video that has them edited out. I needed better evidence of fraud and when I watched that video you posted, it hit me like a dish flying off a shelf. Took a few minutes, learned a little about bologna glass along the way, found a video with the same trick Mellowbird performed and voila.
My life doesn't depend on proving him fake. I told you earlier in the thread that from here on in I would be relentless checking these paranormal vids out. Besides it really didn't take a lot of time once I saw Mbird make the gaffe. 15 minutes maybe.
Quote:Good one. I hadn't even bothered to watch that Ouija board one before. Exact same trick.
Yes it is. Time to put this one in the streetlight file. Goodnite.
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Magical Realist
Apr 25, 2019 05:03 AM
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(Apr 25, 2019 04:48 AM)Leigha Wrote: Maybe we like being afraid, on some subconscious level? And so we go into certain situations, with fear. And it excites us. This is why some of you answered my question in the negative, about being afraid if you were to tour a haunted hotel or prison. Like, fear isn't even on the radar for you. But, for me? Just thinking about it makes me anxious. Because being afraid is an exciting feeling, as much as it is daunting.
Hmm.
Ultimately we all fear the unknown--of a reality that does not exactly play by the rules and could ambush us at any minute. This is the skeptic's prime motivator--to deny the unknown and pretend everything is always well-known and under control. That's why you have Zin devoting so much time and energy to disproving this guy's poltergeist. It's a matter of preserving his sanity. He could not bear a universe that is haunted by unseen forces. He needs security and the illusion of certainty to get thru life. Can we really blame him, we who sit precariously perched on the wild and windy threshold of infinite mystery?
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Syne
Apr 25, 2019 05:03 AM
Yeah, I don't think I'm even putting in half the effort I usually do to call out intellectual dishonesty. Of course, having someone that just repeatedly make bare assertions doesn't really provide much to refute. Yawn.
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Leigha
Apr 25, 2019 05:34 AM
Maybe he's wearing you down.
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Magical Realist
Apr 25, 2019 05:46 AM
(Apr 25, 2019 05:34 AM)Leigha Wrote: Maybe he's wearing you down. 
LOL! They're giving up and looking for easy outs. I can't blame them. The evidence really is quite compelling.
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