Haunted barracks room in Iraq

[Magical Realist]

Never notices, or pretends aren't there?

Wow..so now he's just pretending to be pranked. This is really getting complicated now. I think Occam's razor applies here: The incident is simply paranormal.

[Syne]

Never notices, or pretends aren't there?

Wow..so now he's just pretending to be pranked. This is really getting complicated now. I think Occam's razor applies here: The incident is simply paranormal.

Really?! You think that means "he's pretending to be pranked"? If only there were another word for someone who is in on an attempt to deceive others for fun. Oh right, there is. It's a hoaxer. He wouldn't have to do any nonsense like "pretend to be pranked" when he's the prankster, simply selling the hoax.

The only thing complicated about that is the mental gymnastics you're going through to make yourself think it is. But then, maybe you're actually gaslighting yourself. Your beliefs are so strong that you can't help but convince yourself that the most simple explanations are somehow inexplicably complex.

Parsimony (Occam's razor) requires testable explanations in order to determine which one has the fewest needed assumptions. Your oft-repeated "ghosts did it" is not testable, even if you could examine the scene, because testing entails repeatable results. Whereas all my explanations would be testable at the scene and could even just be demonstrated to work in principle. Simple is not, itself, a criteria of evidence. But the simple-minded don't seem to understand anything beyond the most dumbed-down notions that fit their preexisting dogma.

[Magical Realist]

Really?! You think that means "he's pretending to be pranked"?

You're the one vacillating between prank and hoax or some combination of the two. First there's the pranksters who never come forward and somehow orchestrate the events with string from who knows where. And then there's the hoaxing soldier himself who is now supposedly pretending not to see the strings which someone who is standing god knows where pulls at the right moments. Why don't you make up your mind and tell us which it is? Or rather why don't you just admit you have no clue? Just making up shit without evidence isn't going to do here.

Your oft-repeated "ghosts did it" is not testable, even if you could examine the scene, because testing entails repeatable results.

Yes it is testable. Further experiences reported from that room or any other rooms would certainly confirm it. But it's not like the filmed occurrence even needs repeating. Like a tornado or a tsunami, it happened once. It was filmed, and there was a present eyewitness. No further evidence is needed here. No repetition is needed here. The evidence is so strong and undeniable that nothing further is required to validate it. An investigation of the whole barracks by paranormal investigators might shed some light on the event, with EVP recordings and EMF detections of fields of energy. A history of the barracks might prove fruitful of past members who might've committed suicide there or died in battle. But all of this is supplemental. The evidence stands on it's merits. It's the real deal and is undeniable to anyone without a skeptical anti-paranormal agenda.

[Syne]

Really?! You think that means "he's pretending to be pranked"?

You're the one vacillating between prank and hoax or some combination of the two. First there's the pranksters who never come forward and somehow orchestrate the events with string from who knows where. And then there's the hoaxing soldier himself who is now supposedly pretending not to see the strings which someone who is standing god knows where pulls at the right moments. Why don't you make up your mind and tell us which it is? Or rather why don't you just admit you have no clue? Just making up shit without evidence isn't going to do here.  

No one is vacillating, as no one has claimed to know if it's one or the other. They're both reasonable possibilities.

I've already shown that pranksters are not always quick to come forward (13 years) AND that sometimes they never do at all...unless you're admitting to believing some crop circles are legitimate space alien phenomena (are you? O_o). Simple geometry tells us where any strings would likely be routed.

I don't know which it is (and never claimed otherwise), because there is not enough information on that short video that doesn't show the whole room, cuts off because it was either edited that way or that's when someone turned it off, and zero follow up. Claiming "ghosts did it" is literally "Just making up shit without evidence".

Your oft-repeated "ghosts did it" is not testable, even if you could examine the scene, because testing entails repeatable results.

Yes it is testable. Further experiences reported from that room or any other rooms would certainly confirm it. But it's not like the filmed occurrence even needs repeating. Like a tornado or a tsunami, it happened once. It was filmed, and there was a present eyewitness. No further evidence is needed here. No repetition is needed here. The evidence is so strong and undeniable that nothing further is required to validate it. An investigation of the whole barracks by paranormal investigators might shed some light on the event, with EVP recordings and EMF detections of fields of energy. A history of the barracks might prove fruitful of past members who might've committed suicide there or died in battle. But all of this is supplemental. The evidence stands on it's merits. It's the real deal and is undeniable to anyone without a skeptical anti-paranormal agenda.

Then where are the "further experiences reported from that room"? O_o
That would at least be something to compare. Tornadoes and tsunamis are seen by many, tracked on radar, and leave physical evidence. None of which you can point to here. And both weather phenomena do repeat, so much so that we even have seasons for them. Apparently you will never comprehend the many studies that address witness unreliability. You just keep proclaiming your "truth".

All this bullshit about EVP, EMF, and history is nonsense since you're not providing any of it. It is the real deal, to the gullible who don't understand the simplest concept of evidence.

[Magical Realist]

I don't know which it is (and never claimed otherwise)

Right..because making up shit about unseen strings and unseen pullers of strings isn't knowing anything really. It's just making shit up without any evidence. At least I provided solid evidence for the paranormal. You have nothing but fairy tales.

Then where are the "further experiences reported from that room"? O_o
That would at least be something to compare.

A soldier who stayed in that room before reported the feeling of someone looking at him as he lay in his bed at night. Once again, totally backs up the hauntedness of the room. But like I said, none of this is needed anymore than you need repeatability with a tornado and a tsunami. The event was filmed and witnessed. No further evidence is necessary, and it stands as a compelling demonstration of paranormal activity and what it can do once it musters up the energy.

[Syne]

I don't know which it is (and never claimed otherwise)

Right..because making up shit about unseen strings and unseen pullers of strings isn't knowing anything really. It's just making shit up without any evidence. At least I provided solid evidence for the paranormal. You have nothing but fairy tales.

You've seen a string before, right? You've seen a person pull a string, right? Hell, you may have pulled a string yourself...like the one on your back that makes you repeat "No further evidence is necessary". There's undeniable evidence that at least those things actually exist. Especially considering your preference for witnesses, where almost every human throughout history has experienced some sort of string. Between that, the very poor quality video, and not being able to see large portions of the room, those are way more probable than a ghost you cannot see and cannot even show exists. That is the fairy tale.

And you just continue to prove to everyone that you have zero comprehension of what constitutes evidence. The arguments you make for ghosts and aliens are the exact same as many dogmatic people make for god or angels. Proclaiming something as sufficient evidence, without any support, and denying any need for anything more. How does it make you feel to know that you behave exactly like people you scorn? O_o

Then where are the "further experiences reported from that room"? O_o
That would at least be something to compare.

A soldier who stayed in that room before reported the feeling of someone looking at him as he lay in his bed at night. Once again, totally backs up the hauntedness of the room. But like I said, none of this is needed anymore than you need repeatability with a tornado and a tsunami. The event was filmed and witnessed. No further evidence is necessary, and it stands as a compelling demonstration of paranormal activity and what it can do once it musters up the energy.

Where are these supposed reports? Where's a link to them? As far as I know, you're just making shit up. And creepy feelings in a strange place corroborates nothing. Where's other evidence of things being slammed around in that room?

Again, tornadoes and tsunamis show up on radar, are typically broadcasted, and leave a physical trace, you know, multiple pieces of corroborating evidence.

[Magical Realist]

You've seen a string before, right? You've seen a person pull a string, right?

LOL! Every string and string puller I've ever seen is seeable. You are asking us to believe that just because you make up some bullshit about strings and an unseen string puller for this video we are to believe it. No..that's not how it works. The video shows itself to be authentic in every sense with no evidence of strings or string pullers. The soldier exudes nothing but honesty and credibility in what he is doing and what he says about the incident immediately afterwards and 8 years later. Plus he is in the military, which makes your lie of his devious youtube hoax utterly laughable. You otoh have contributed nothing to this case other than dubious speculation and agenda-laden dismissals of the obvious. You even admit to not knowing what happened. I think I'll believe the guy who was actually there and who has no agenda over the armchair skeptic who wasn't there and who seeks only to disprove the paranormal. Lazy door sound..lol!

Where are these supposed reports? Where's a link to them? As far as I know, you're just making shit up.

Then I guess you won't believe me anyway if I told you where I got the information. Oh fuck'n well. Stew in your own ignorance.

[Syne]

You've seen a string before, right? You've seen a person pull a string, right?

LOL! Every string and string puller I've ever seen is seeable. You are asking us to believe that just because you make up some bullshit about strings and an unseen string puller for this video we are to believe it. No..that's not how it works. The video shows itself to be authentic in every sense with no evidence of strings or string pullers. The soldier exudes nothing but honesty and credibility in what he is doing and what he says about the incident immediately afterwards and 8 years later. Plus he is in the military, which makes your lie of his youtube hoax very unlikely. You otoh have contributed nothing to this case other than dubious speculation and agenda-laden dismissals of the obvious. You even admit to not knowing what happened. I think I'll believe the guy who was actually there and who has no agenda over the armchair skeptic who wasn't there and who seeks only to disprove the paranormal. Lazy door sound..lol!

Yes, every string and puller you've seen is visible, because you, hopefully, don't live your life looking through a low quality video camera that cuts off your peripheral vision and doesn't allow you to turn your head or move. But then, you are a shut-in on the internet.
I'm asking you to believe in things you already know exist and no one disputes. You're asking us to believe in things we do not know exist and are widely disputed. You might as well be claiming invisible unicorns did it, for all the difference it would make in the so-called "evidence". Whereas I'm allowing for the possibility that fishing line is hard to see, especially on very poor quality video. Again, where are the HD videos of the paranormal? O_o

You have no basis for your estimation of his credibility but your desperate, dogmatic beliefs. If you don't believe that soldiers do pranks, try Googling "US soldier prank" sometime.
The only agenda here is your "true belief" in invisible unicorns. Everyone else is only speaking from the widely-shared experience of everyday life, where we default to things we know exist over things that we have no reason to believe, like your invisible unicorns.

Yes, I freely admit to not knowing, because I'm not a "true believer" and I accept the limitations inherent in a single, poor quality video. That's called intellectual honesty, another term, like evidence, of which you are completely ignorant. You just believe people who tell you what you want to hear, without any thought whatsoever.

Where are these supposed reports? Where's a link to them? As far as I know, you're just making shit up.

Then I guess you won't believe me anyway if I told you where I got the information. Oh fuck'n well. Stew in your own ignorance.

IOW, they don't exist and you're just making shit up.
Completely expected.

[Magical Realist]

Yes, every string and puller you've seen is visible, because you, hopefully, don't live your life looking through a low quality video camera that cuts off your peripheral vision and doesn't allow you to turn your head or move. But then, you are a shut-in on the internet.

You can see string on videos. Believe me you really can. And since when was not seeing a string a reason to suspect its existence? Not only is there no string in that room according to the video, but the soldier inspects the scene itself seeing no string. That's convincing enough evidence for me to blow your little string theory clear out of the water.

I'm asking you to believe in things you already know exist and no one disputes. You're asking us to believe in things we do not know exist and are widely disputed. You might as well be claiming invisible unicorns did it, for all the difference it would make in the so-called "evidence". Whereas I'm allowing for the possibility that fishing line is hard to see, especially on very poor quality video. Again, where are the HD videos of the paranormal? O_o

LOL! Me and millions of other people happen to know the paranormal exists based precisely on compelling video evidence like this. Over the years I have literally posted dozens of videos and eyewitness accounts online vouching for the reality of paranormal phenomena. Me and millions of other people have seen over a hundred televised investigations of haunted locations showing for a fact that ghosts are real and have real physical affects on their environment. There's also hundreds of videos on youtube of documented paranormal investigations for anyone to view for themselves. I'm not about to repost all that evidence here for you as I know you are a dogmatic skeptic bent only on trying to prove the paranormal doesn't exist. That's part of your faithheld credo, like your belief in sky daddy. I WILL include an excellent account of a haunted office building that I found on youtube that cinches the whole paranormal issue for anyone willing to view it. Suffice it to say that again I always go with the eyewitness who was there and has no agenda rather than with the armchair debunker who wasn't there and who is only interested in trying to disprove all such accounts. It's a matter of basic human credibility, and no offense but I wouldn't trust what a dogmatic skeptic says about fringe topics as far as I can spit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14sNdXq4fjI

[Syne]

Yes, every string and puller you've seen is visible, because you, hopefully, don't live your life looking through a low quality video camera that cuts off your peripheral vision and doesn't allow you to turn your head or move. But then, you are a shut-in on the internet.

You can see string on videos. Believe me you really can. And sense when was not seeing a string a reason to suspect its existence? Not only is there no string in that room according to the video, but the soldier inspects the scene itself seeing no string. That's convincing enough evidence for me to blow your little string theory clear out of the water.

Here's fishing line in an HD video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qcsXmUevAg
You can only see it when the sun catches it or is lighting it against a relatively dark background. Now reduce its quality to 240p (same as the barracks video) and see how much harder it is to see. And you know exactly where to look for fishing line on a rod and extending to a lure.

Knowing, for a fact, that something exists is plenty reason to suspect it over something you have no reason to believe exists. We all know fishing line exists, but very few believe invisible unicorns exist.

Yes, we all know it takes very little to convince you of invisible unicorns.

I'm asking you to believe in things you already know exist and no one disputes. You're asking us to believe in things we do not know exist and are widely disputed. You might as well be claiming invisible unicorns did it, for all the difference it would make in the so-called "evidence". Whereas I'm allowing for the possibility that fishing line is hard to see, especially on very poor quality video. Again, where are the HD videos of the paranormal? O_o

LOL! I and millions of other people happen to know the paranormal exists based precisely on compelling video evidence like this. Over the years I have literally posted dozens of videos and eyewitness accounts online vouching for the reality of paranormal phenomena. I and millions of other people have seen over a hundred televised investigations of haunted locations showing for a fact that ghosts are real and have real physical affects on their environment. There's also hundreds of videos on youtube of documented paranormal investigations for anyone to view for themselves. I'm not about to repost all that evidence here for you as I know you are a dogmatic skeptic bent only on trying to prove the paranormal doesn't exist. That's part of your faithheld credo, like your belief in sky daddy. I WILL include an excellent account of a haunted office building that I found on youtube that cinches the whole paranormal issue for anyone willing to view it. Suffice it to say that again I always go with the eyewitness who was there and has no agenda rather than with the armchair debunker who wasn't there and who is only interested in trying to disprove all such accounts. It's a matter of basic human credibility, and no offense but I wouldn't trust what a dogmatic skeptic says about fringe topics as far as I can spit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14sNdXq4fjI

Yes, millions, out of 7.7 billion, believe in the paranormal. They do not know (other than deluding themselves), otherwise they could show everyone sufficient evidence. And most of those who claim to know actually have personal experience, not just faith from watching "compelling video evidence like this"...much like those who give money to televangelists.

And like the claims of healing from a televangelist, the burden is not on the unbeliever, it's on the one making the extraordinary claim. It is not an atheist's burden to disprove god. It is the burden of those who claim to have proof. You're the religious nut job here claiming to have proof of invisible unicorns. And more story time isn't evidence. Nor do I believe in your oft-repeated straw man of some "sky daddy". So you can add that to your fairy tales. And again, studies on the subject show that witnesses are unreliable, so you just believe whatever makes you feel better, because there's obviously no rational thought behind it.

But keep preaching, little buddy.