Why gun violence research has been shut down for 20 years

[Magical Realist]

And if I show you the exact pages, with quotes, will you apologize for calling me a liar, admit you know nothing about guns and gun crime, and stop prattling on about equally ignorant partisan talking points?

No..Either you can show it or you can't. And I'm betting you can't.

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Already gave you the source. Don't believe it? Prove me wrong.

IOW I caught you in a lie. Those conclusions aren't in that study at all are they? You would have quoted them if they were and linked them to the page where they can be found.

And if I show you the exact pages, with quotes, will you apologize for calling me a liar, admit you know nothing about guns and gun crime, and stop prattling on about equally ignorant partisan talking points?

The main problem is though that weapons are tools, they don't instigate confrontation or commit acts that escalate into violence that's entirely upon the individuals involved and to some extents a reflection of the state of society.

A man carrying a knife eventually finds things that need to be cut or stabbed. A man carrying a hammer eventually finds things that need to be pounded. And a man carrying a gun eventually finds things that need to be shot. We are predisposed towards actions that enable us to use the weapon we are carrying. And the best deterrent to using a weapon is simply not having that weapon in the first place.


In the US, more people are murdered with fists and feet than rifles or shotguns. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1953...apon-used/
Yeah, everyone with fists eventually finds something to punch and punch until dead.  

Way more people are killed with handguns than with feet and fists. But nice try trying to limit it to rifles and shotguns.

[Syne]

And if I show you the exact pages, with quotes, will you apologize for calling me a liar, admit you know nothing about guns and gun crime, and stop prattling on about equally ignorant partisan talking points?

No..Either you can show it or you can't. And I'm betting you can't.

Thanks for proving that you don't really believe I'm lying. Otherwise you'd be perfectly willing to agree to anything to prove what you believe.
I'm not going to waste my time with your repeatedly demonstrated intellectual dishonesty. If you can't be bothered to look for yourself, no doubt you'll come up with no end of other intellectually dishonest excuses.

In the US, more people are murdered with fists and feet than rifles or shotguns. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1953...apon-used/
Yeah, everyone with fists eventually finds something to punch and punch until dead.  

Way more people are killed with handguns than with feet and fists. But nice try trying to limit it to rifles and shotguns.

Is anyone seriously trying to ban handguns in the US? No? Just rifles, huh?

[Magical Realist]

Is anyone seriously trying to ban handguns in the US? No? Just rifles, huh?

What does that have to do with carrying a gun making it more likely you will use it?

[Syne]

Maybe the more defensive uses than criminal uses statistic from the Obama CDC.

[Magical Realist]

Maybe the more defensive uses than criminal uses statistic from the Obama CDC.

"The reality seems to be that when our bullets don't wind up in non-human animals or street signs, then when you use one to shoot someone, about 99 times out of a 100, you will commit a felony, shoot yourself, or shoot someone by accident.  In one out of a hundred cases, you shoot the bad guy."----https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sta...ad-guy-gun

[Syne]

Maybe the more defensive uses than criminal uses statistic from the Obama CDC.

"The reality seems to be that when our bullets don't wind up in non-human animals or street signs, then when you use one to shoot someone, about 99 times out of a 100, you will commit a felony, shoot yourself, or shoot someone by accident.  In one out of a hundred cases, you shoot the bad guy."----https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sta...ad-guy-gun

Yeah, very often the sight of a gun alone will deter crime. Not every crime requires shooting someone to stop it. The "when you use one to shoot someone" is a deceptive qualification to slant the numbers. That article also deceptively compares gun homicides to "pedestrians as get hit by cars", when the overall vehicle deaths surpass not only gun homicides but accidental gun deaths as well as gun suicides. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

[Magical Realist]

Yeah, very often the sight of a gun alone will deter crime. Not every crime requires shooting someone to stop it

lol! Show me the stats on that then. How many criminals are annually deterred from committing crimes by seeing a bulge in some gun nut's jacket.

[Syne]

Yeah, very often the sight of a gun alone will deter crime. Not every crime requires shooting someone to stop it

lol! Show me the stats on that then. How many criminals are annually deterred from committing crimes by seeing a bulge in some gun nut's jacket.

Not the bulge, genius, actually drawing the gun (but not shooting anyone). And those stats are in the same Obama-funded CDC report you refuse to read.
And do you really think most people carry in their jacket, like Serpico or something?
And what about CONCEALED carry do you not understand?
If someone can tell you're armed, it's not very well-concealed.

[Magical Realist]

Yeah, very often the sight of a gun alone will deter crime. Not every crime requires shooting someone to stop it

lol! Show me the stats on that then. How many criminals are annually deterred from committing crimes by seeing a bulge in some gun nut's jacket.

Not the bulge, genius, actually drawing the gun (but not shooting anyone). And those stats are in the same Obama-funded CDC report you refuse to read.
And do you really think most people carry in their jacket, like Serpico or something?  
And what about CONCEALED carry do you not understand?
If someone can tell you're armed, it's not very well-concealed.

LOL! Show me the stats on gun nuts pulling out guns and stopping a crime without shooting. I've never ever heard of such a case because it never happens.

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In the US, more people are murdered with fists and feet than rifles or shotguns. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1953...apon-used/
Yeah, everyone with fists eventually finds something to punch and punch until dead.

An excellent example of what I see as American 'gun culture'. On one side you have people who think lethal weapons in the hands of idiots and psychos is a bad idea and on the other side you have people who love their guns - thinly veiled as "The right to bear arms.".
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Just repeating the link which fails in the quote...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1953...apon-used/
Compare murder victims by all firearms (10,000+) with Syne's apparent claim that rifles (firearms) contribute little (374) to the murder statistics - clearly the rifle isn't the firearm of choice for killing people.