"Moderate" Democrats approve of political violence

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Syne Offline
Background:

In private text messages from 2022, Jay Jones, the Democratic nominee for Virginia attorney general, fantasized about shooting his political opponent, then-House Speaker Todd Gilbert, and described Gilbert's wife and children in extreme, inflammatory terms. The texts, first reported in early October 2025, led to widespread bipartisan condemnation.
Key details from the leaked messages:

Violent fantasy: In an exchange with Republican Delegate Carrie Coyner, Jones presented a hypothetical scenario involving himself, Gilbert, Adolf Hitler, and Pol Pot. Jones wrote that if he had two bullets to shoot one of them, "Gilbert gets two bullets to the head".
Harm to family: After Coyner challenged his comments, Jones doubled down on his violent rhetoric. He spoke about wanting Gilbert's wife to watch her children die to motivate a policy change, writing, "Only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy".
Verbal abuse: Jones also referred to Gilbert as a "POS" and described him and his wife as "evil" for "breeding little fascists".
Desire to desecrate graves: He wrote that if his political opponents died before him, he would "go to their funerals to piss on their graves".
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A Virginia PAC Messaged Voters About Jay Jones’ Violent Rhetoric. Here Are The Unsettling Responses.

When a conservative get-out-the-vote operation sent text messages to voters in Virginia to ensure they’d seen Jay Jones’ texts fantasizing about murdering a political opponent and his children, the intent was to encourage recipients not to vote for Jones.

Instead, some recipients responded to the robotexts by agreeing with the violent sentiments.

The Family Foundation Action said some messages it received back were explicit death threats, which have since been referred to law enforcement. Remarkably, the group sent the message only to Democrats who were identified as being on the more moderate side, and whom they thought would be persuadable.

Even these “moderate” Democrats replied with messages like, “Thank God, we need to kill more Nazis”; “Conservatives are inhuman cretins. Thus they should be put down swiftly without remorse”; “MAGA = Nazis”; and “Good. I’d vote for him over the fascist any day.”

“This is what they have to say in reaction to being sent information on how Jay Jones wants the children of political opponents to die, just weeks after Charlie Kirk gets assassinated,” the PAC said. “This is who they are … Do not let Jay Jones and the monsters supporting him win.”

Polling suggests that the attorney general’s race in Virginia is roughly tied, even after the National Review revealed the gruesome text messages, whose authenticity Jones acknowledged in an apology. It was also revealed that Jones had made similar comments about the police.

Americans have been shocked as no Democratic candidate, including his running mates Abigail Spanberger and Ghazala Hashmi, has called for him to drop out of the race for the commonwealth’s top law enforcement position.

Some groups have even appeared to denigrate their founding principles in order to maintain hard-line partisanship. Giffords PAC, a gun-control group founded by former Democratic congresswoman Gabby Giffords after she was shot by a nonpartisan maniac, is continuing to endorse Jones, despite his stated desire to shoot elected officials.
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C C Offline
(Oct 11, 2025 06:50 AM)Syne Wrote: [...] In private text messages from 2022, Jay Jones, the Democratic nominee for Virginia attorney general, fantasized about shooting his political opponent, then-House Speaker Todd Gilbert, and described Gilbert's wife and children in extreme, inflammatory terms.

[...] some recipients responded to the robotexts by agreeing with the violent sentiments. ... Even these “moderate” Democrats replied with messages like, “Thank God, we need to kill more Nazis”; “Conservatives are inhuman cretins. Thus they should be put down swiftly without remorse”; “MAGA = Nazis”; and “Good. I’d vote for him over the fascist any day.”

[...] Americans have been shocked as no Democratic candidate, including his running mates Abigail Spanberger and Ghazala Hashmi, has called for him to drop out of the race for the commonwealth’s top law enforcement position.

Some groups have even appeared to denigrate their founding principles in order to maintain hard-line partisanship. Giffords PAC, a gun-control group founded by former Democratic congresswoman Gabby Giffords after she was shot by a nonpartisan maniac, is continuing to endorse Jones, despite his stated desire to shoot elected officials...

Like Iranians and their various "Death to whomever!" slogans, the white Dems probably view such violence-laced expressions as just part of the colorful, colloquial language that both their classically marginalized and more recent migrant population group members indulge in, when the latter have a need to vigorously vent. Deemed as excusable or ignorable due to the systemic oppression they endure.

The inconsistency or hypocrisy with respect to the gun-control groups is probably anomalous or limited. I.e., contemporary Dem antipathy toward guns would still be an obstacle in terms of direct or non-poisonous assassination. (I.e., it's really not convenient to have to continue relying on seducing or recruiting politically confused independents and estranged, bipolar or alienated neurodivergent sons of Republicans.) But even mitigated "just beat'em up and intimidate" street violence can still be a fulfilling staple, apparently.

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Syne Offline
Why would we believe them any less genuine in their sentiment? The Iranians, etc. certainly are when they call for death.
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Magical Realist Offline
One usually fantasizes as a substitute for actually acting out. It's not technically "violence" until then, especially as it was a private text msg. Unlike the burning down of a judge's house who Trump just so happened to condemn before the world and who had received death threats for weeks before.
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(Oct 11, 2025 06:39 PM)Syne Wrote: Why would we believe them any less genuine in their sentiment? The Iranians, etc. certainly are when they call for death.

"Death to taxes!" According to Rick Steves in one of the travel guide episodes he did on Iran, the latter citizens use the "Death to" expression commonly in everyday life. Akin to an American parent telling one of their kids that: "I'm going to kill you for taking out the ice cream last night and forgetting to put it back in the freezer compartment."

That's not to say that there might not be an occasional Dem spokesperson, candidate, or representative who truly means genuine violence (which Jones might even qualify for). But the coping mechanism for elite leaders is to dismiss it as a supposedly oppressed group's hipster(?) style of figurative venting (when there seems to have been an indifferent attitude about rebuking or penalizing the individual).
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Zinjanthropos Offline
One thing to have members f***ed up by their political party and another to have a political party f***ed up by its members but when you have both at the same time? What is going on across the river(US)?
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Syne Offline
Rick Steves isn't exactly an academic. The Quran (Hadith interpretation) teaches that Muslims can lie (taqiyya) to the infidel (non-Muslims).

When a person feels free to express their violent fantasies, they are closer to enacting them.
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