Will Iran regime fall, or just another umpteenth fail of protesters? (rerun hobbies)

[Syne]

Vance's plane (AF2) has departed Islamabad Pakistan headed back to Washington.

And the Iranian state news agency says...

(They spin so hard it makes me dizzy)

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Yep, negotiations useless and the regime immediately proving why.

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[C C]

Pakistan's foreign minister urges sides to continue ceasefire
https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/live-...rcna285140

Pakistan Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar urged the U.S. and Iran to continue their ceasefire despite peace talks in Islamabad concluding with no agreement to end the war.

In a post on X, Dar characterized the 21-hour negotiation session as both intense and constructive, saying the nations should maintain the talks' "positive spirit," move forward with the goal of region-wide "peace and prosperity" and vow to continue to withhold attacks against each other.

"It is imperative that the parties continue to uphold their commitment to ceasefire," he said.

As that takes place, he said, Pakistan will stand by.

"Pakistan has been and will continue to play its role to facilitate engagement and dialogue between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America in the days to come," Dar said

[Magical Realist]

Oliver Kornetzke Facebook
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"I have an idea:

If the United States and Israel want Iran to give up nuclear weapons research and development so damn bad, then in the obvious it seems pretty fair and reasonable that they should just relinquish their own nuclear weapons and shut down their own programs too. Same rules, same expectations. It would be unilaterally fair, and hell, actually a net positive for humanity.

Wait, what is that I hear? The United States and Israel have a problem with that? Oh? Why so? Are they worried some other nuclear-capable military run by a deranged psychopath might act recklessly? Might target civilians? Blow up a girls’ school? Threaten entire populations? Weird! Why would they think that?"

[Syne]

Pakistan Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar urged the U.S. and Iran to continue their ceasefire despite peace talks in Islamabad concluding with no agreement to end the war.

Of course, the cutout for China is pushing to restore oil shipments to China. 9_9

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Oliver Kornetzke Facebook
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"I have an idea:

If the United States and Israel want Iran to give up nuclear weapons research and development so damn bad, then in the obvious it seems pretty fair and reasonable that they should just relinquish their own nuclear weapons and shut down their own programs too. Same rules, same expectations. It would be unilaterally fair, and hell, actually a net positive for humanity.

Wait, what is that I hear? The United States and Israel have a problem with that? Oh? Why so? Are they worried some other nuclear-capable military run by a deranged psychopath might act recklessly? Might target civilians? Blow up a girls’ school? Threaten entire populations? Weird! Why would they think that?"

That's the stupidest, most immoral equivalence. Not surprised who's posting it.

So you'd prefer a world run by the authoritarians in Russia and China, or you'd rather Iran get and keep nuclear weapons. Talk about suicidal empathy. 9_9

[geordief]

Oliver Kornetzke Facebook
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"I have an idea:

If the United States and Israel want Iran to give up nuclear weapons research and development so damn bad, then in the obvious it seems pretty fair and reasonable that they should just relinquish their own nuclear weapons and shut down their own programs too. Same rules, same expectations. It would be unilaterally fair, and hell, actually a net positive for humanity.

Wait, what is that I hear? The United States and Israel have a problem with that? Oh? Why so? Are they worried some other nuclear-capable military run by a deranged psychopath might act recklessly? Might target civilians? Blow up a girls’ school? Threaten entire populations? Weird! Why would they think that?"

If US was to force Russia to leave Ukraine by honouring its Nato commitments ,then  there could be a period where nuclear non proliferation   and global  nuclear disarmament(ie reduction and stabilisation) talks  could resume.

In that scenario  there could be global pressure put on Iran to allow for something along the lines of the Obama agreement they were following.

Israel would have to agree to abandon its Greater Israel project and America would have to stop supporting it.

There would have to be a path to reintegration of Israel into its neighbourhood .

If it is going to become an apartheid state then  maybe it should no longer be recognised as a full  UN member but more like some kind of an international protectorate ... like  the Vatican.

[TheVat]

Oliver Kornetzke Facebook
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"I have an idea:

If the United States and Israel want Iran to give up nuclear weapons research and development so damn bad, then in the obvious it seems pretty fair and reasonable that they should just relinquish their own nuclear weapons and shut down their own programs too. Same rules, same expectations. It would be unilaterally fair, and hell, actually a net positive for humanity.

Wait, what is that I hear? The United States and Israel have a problem with that? Oh? Why so? Are they worried some other nuclear-capable military run by a deranged psychopath might act recklessly? Might target civilians? Blow up a girls’ school? Threaten entire populations? Weird! Why would they think that?"

MR, the strategic function of nukes is such that only the option of OMNIlateral disarmament would ever work, and only in a parallel world very different from our own.  While I'd love to live in Oliver's lovely universe, where unicorns fart rainbows of flower petals, I think that's not accessible even to the man in the high castle.  

That said, with a neighbor like Israel, I believe the Iranians are rational actors when they strive to build themselves a little insurance in the form of a nuke.

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Oliver Kornetzke Facebook
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"I have an idea:

If the United States and Israel want Iran to give up nuclear weapons research and development so damn bad, then in the obvious it seems pretty fair and reasonable that they should just relinquish their own nuclear weapons and shut down their own programs too. Same rules, same expectations. It would be unilaterally fair, and hell, actually a net positive for humanity.

Wait, what is that I hear? The United States and Israel have a problem with that? Oh? Why so? Are they worried some other nuclear-capable military run by a deranged psychopath might act recklessly? Might target civilians? Blow up a girls’ school? Threaten entire populations? Weird! Why would they think that?"

If US was to force Russia to leave Ukraine by honouring its Nato commitments ,then  there could be a period where nuclear non proliferation   and global  nuclear disarmament(ie reduction and stabilisation) talks  could resume.

In that scenario  there could be global pressure put on Iran to allow for something along the lines of the Obama agreement they were following.

Israel would have to agree to abandon its Greater Israel project and America would have to stop supporting it.

There would have to be a path to reintegration of Israel into its neighbourhood .

If it is going to become an apartheid state then  maybe it should no longer be recognised as a full  UN member but more like some kind of an international protectorate ... like  the Vatican.

RW ultra orthodox Jews are having huge families and rapidly increasing their demographic slice of Israel.  Combine their ideological bent and population pressures in a small nation and it's hard to see the PTB giving up a Greater Israel.  And the US supports Israel so long as we have our real estate Caligula who wants resorts and casinos on the Mediterranean.  I try to always lower my expectations when it comes to peace, justice, or any humanitarian initiatives in that area of the world.

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Holy crap, I didn't mean to merge two replies and with so many up-thread quote boxes.  I need to look in here more.