Will Iran regime fall, or just another umpteenth fail of protesters? (rerun hobbies)

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Syne Offline
(Jan 12, 2026 04:36 AM)Yazata Wrote: If I was President Trump, I'd tell Iran that any meeting is conditional on them no longer shooting demonstrators, ending the communications blackout etc. And I'd order very visible preparations for military intervention such as moving an aircraft carrier battle group (or two) into the northwest Indian Ocean and large quantities of Air Force aircraft into the region. Make sure that the Iranians can see it coming. Tell Tehran that if they shoot pro-democracy demonstrators, the Americans (and Israelis and who knows else) will be unleashed against any and all regime government and military assets. Meanwhile provide what assistance we can to the pro-democracy elements, like Starlink terminals and so on.
Needs to be a very hard, threatening stance, as that's all Khomeini will understand.
Unlike Russia, we don't fear a nuclear reprisal from Iran, so we can effectively attack with impunity... without any troops on the ground or declaring war.

Quote:Maybe arms as well. (If Iran can arm Hezbollah in Lebanon, we can arm anti-regime elements in Iran.)
If there were a way to make sure they got them into the right hands. Last thing we need is to inadvertently arm more loyalists. I also don't know what kind of profiteers or organized crime might be looking to capitalize on the current unrest.
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Syne Offline
(Jan 12, 2026 04:36 AM)Yazata Wrote: And I'd order very visible preparations for military intervention such as moving an aircraft carrier battle group (or two) into the northwest Indian Ocean and large quantities of Air Force aircraft into the region. Make sure that the Iranians can see it coming.

You're not the only one: https://youtu.be/8UBi8cxK1mI?si=EJaElJ7yl2HTY9pM&t=1000
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#23
C C Offline
Trump’s Iran briefing may be ‘deception campaign’ to mask moves already underway
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-n...cle-883129

INTRO: The US military's plans to conduct military operations against Iran are in "the advanced stages," an anonymous US official told Qatari-state-owned Al Jazeera on Monday.

The military options for an operation against the Islamic Republic are "being tailored to circumstances and developments," the official told the outlet. "Our forces in the Middle East are ready for any contingency, any mission, and to defend themselves and our interests."

These comments follow Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi's weekend meeting with the Trump administration's Middle East special envoy, Steve Witkoff, to discuss the ongoing protests across the Islamic Republic, two sources with knowledge of the matter told Axios earlier on Tuesday.

This, in turn, followed US President Donald Trump repeatedly threatening to intervene in the protests, including not ruling out military force... (MORE - details)

Iranian president Masoud Pezeshkian joins pro-government rally in Tehran ... https://youtu.be/XK8tyjj95HM

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/XK8tyjj95HM
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Yazata Offline
A huge (100,000+) anti-regime demonstration is occurring in Isfahan in central Iran this evening local time. There are reports that the regime has replied with gunfire and that Isfahan is a battle zone.

ISW (which has informal connections to the Pentagon and intelligence agencies) is reporting that Iran has asked for aid from Iranian-armed Shi'ite militias in neighboring Iraq. ISW interprets this to indicate that the demonstrations in Iran are stretching regime manpower thin. As yet, there's no indication that the regular military has been called upon, perhaps because their loyalty to the regime is questionable. The demonstrations are being confronted by the 'Law Enforcement Command' (national police), Basij (the large IRGC-affiliated religious militia that arrest women for not wearing hijabs) and the real regime muscle, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (an alternative military force of regime fanatics). But the three of them combined are apparently in need of backup.

Meanwhile the regime has called for a pro-regime demonstration in Tehran. They claim turnout was 100,000+, but the video they displayed turned out to be old video from several years ago.

The Iranian regime has started calling the demonstrators "terrorists" and says that these demonstrations are organized from abroad and that they are the latest chapter in the "12 Day War" against Iran by the US and Israel. ISW interprets this to be an attempt to gain patriotic support in the regular military, where there seems to be quite a bit of sympathy in the ranks for the demonstrators.

As for the United States, word is that planning for military action is "advanced". But this consists of a spectrum of options and reportedly President Trump has not made a decision which one to go with. Evidence supports this, since there is no clear evidence of military movements consistent with a military intervention plan. US military facilities in the middle east are reportedly going into a defensive posture in case Iran lobs missiles at them or something.,

And the Wall Street Journal is reporting that there are deep divisions inside the Trump administration between those that favor diplomacy and those that favor military action. (Neo-Con vs America First factions of MAGA?)

That said, the Trump administration has proven repeatedly (the 12 day war, the Maduro operation) to be very good at operational security and deception. So they may already have a plan underway and are putting out misleading information as "leaks" to establishment journalists (who live on "sources" and leaks) who lap it up and write what the Administration might want Iran to think.

Though again, I think that the real 'tell', difficult to hide or fake, would be actual military movements, which we haven't seen.

(Jan 12, 2026 10:58 PM)Yazata Wrote: And the Wall Street Journal is reporting that there are deep divisions inside the Trump administration between those that favor diplomacy and those that favor military action. (Neo-Con vs America First factions of MAGA?)

CNN is reporting that the Democrats are just as divided on this as the Republicans.

There's a pro-intervention faction and a 'let the Iranians sort it out for themselves' faction in the US, and it doesn't divide up according to party loyalty.
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#26
Zinjanthropos Offline
Any idea of how many “millionaire mullahs” there are in Iran? Maybe they sneak away to someone who’ll provide safe haven but only after their accounts are quietly moved and protected. I think it’s more about the dollars and protecting the hides of rulers.
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#28
Yazata Offline
From an Iranian exile:

"I have news from someone in Dezful - the city is under siege by Hashd ash-Shaabi (Iraqi terrorist militia).

They are beastly mercenaries with covered faces who can’t understand Persian and only speak Arabic.

The whole city is on curfew and there's an atmosphere of terror and dread everywhere.

Snipers are positioned on taller buildings in the last few days, head shotting people at random.

They have no mercy and don’t discriminate between children, teenagers or the elderly.

Anyone leaving the house risks be shot by snipers or killed by mercenaries on the ground.

It’s very likely that the situation is similar in other cities in Khuzestan Province.

They are getting massacred in total silence (no news coverage) and isolation.

Please speak up for Dezful and other smaller cities."

My opinion: This kind of stuff is likely to halt the street demonstrations. But the mullahs are crazy if they believe that it will make people support their theocratic regime.

And at the pro-regime demonstration organized by the government today in Tehran, Ali Larijani, Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council of Iran, was channeling MR! (Maybe psychic phenomena do exist!) He was asked about threats made by President Trump, and replied, “Trump talks too much, don't take him seriously". I hope that Larijani enjoys the big steaming plate of FAFO that might be coming his way soon.

Given the threat of tariffs announced today, I suspect that the United States might be looking at low-cost (to us) methods that make use of our many advantages. Cyber has been mentioned as have psychological operations. But personally, I'd suggest a total blockade of Iranian ports. Iran's big money maker is selling oil that's delivered in supertankers. So stop the tankers, sink them if necessary. (Iran's IRGC uses the Houthis to do it in the Red Sea, so do it to Iran with the US Navy.) There's not much that they could do about it. Alternatively, if the US is reluctant to seize or sink Chinese tankers (and China is perhaps the biggest buyer of Iranian oil) the US could hit and disable the Iranian oil terminals easily enough.
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#29
Syne Offline
Yeah, I'm all for targeted strikes on ports, IRGC, and other loyalist locations.
Blockades and tariffs are a longer-term pressure campaign that won't help the Iranian people currently under attack.
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