Article  Starmer declares Gaza starvation caused by Israel must be remedied (UK brewing)

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Syne Offline
No, illiterate, words actually have discrete meanings. Not that I expect you to understand simple English.

This is just a red herring (fallacy), in lieu of providing hard evidence... which you obviously don't have.
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Magical Realist Offline
History lesson 101 for rightwing anti-palestinians...


"When did Israel’s unfolding genocide against the Palestinian people begin?"

"Since 1947, there have been multiple instances where Israel has engaged in the mass killing of
Palestinians, their mass expulsion, persecution, and the annexation of their land, causing severe
multigenerational physical and psychological harm to the Palestinian people. The first such instance is the Palestinian Nakba, which provides critical context for understanding the foundations of the genocidal moment we are in today.

The Nakba (meaning “the Catastrophe” in Arabic)refers to the Zionist militias’ violent campaign of mass dispossession between 1947 and 1949,resulting in the forced displacement of 85 percent of the Palestinian population, the destruction of 531 Palestinian towns and villages, and the expulsion of some 750,000 Palestinians who became refugees. Palestinians fled or were forced to flee as armed forces carried out a series of mass atrocities, including dozens of massacres, and killing an estimated 15,000 Palestinians.

Over the past 75 years, successive Israeli governments have pursued deliberate, calculated, and
overt campaigns against Palestinians for their forced expulsion, transfer and displacement,
extermination, fragmentation, arbitrary imprisonment, torture, and denial of fundamental rights.
Since October 7, 2023, Israel has escalated its 16-year closure of Gaza, indiscriminately and
repeatedly bombing civilians while cutting off access to all basic necessities, including food, water, electricity, and medical supplies, and on October 13 ordered a forced “evacuation” of 1.1 million Palestinians out of northern Gaza."---- https://ccrjustice.org/sites/default/fil...282%29.pdf
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Syne Offline
CCR has conducted anti-Israel activity since at least 2005.

In 1947, Israel started taking over territory the UN granted it (from the British-ruled Mandatory Palestine, region not a nation) to form the state of Israel. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire, Britain gained control of the area. They agreed to give it up under the UN's Partition Plan for Palestine, where Israel was granted modern day Israel, Jordan took over the West Bank, and Egypt too over Gaza. IOW, the rightful rulers of the region dictated that this was what was going to happen. Arabs fought a war against Israel to keep this justified rule of law from happening. There was no annexation apart from Israel taking territory from their attackers.

Since it's establishment as a sovereign state, Israel has had the legal right to expel hostile Arabs and defend its borders. To claim otherwise is to deny Israel's right to exist, which is transparently antisemitic.
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Magical Realist Offline
Quote:CR has conducted anti-Israel activity since at least 2005.

LOL Define "anti-Israel" activity. Espionage to overthrow the Israeli govt? Or saying something bad about the Israeli govt? Have you ever heard of "free speech"?

Quote:In 1947, Israel started taking over territory the UN granted it (from the British-ruled Mandatory Palestine, region not a nation) to form the state of Israel.

"Taking over a territory" already belonging to the indigenous Palestinians. Hence their killing of 15,000 of them and burning 531 of their villages and expelling 750,000 of them as homeless refugees. That's what "taking over a territory" means. Like Americans took over the territories of Native Americans citing the doctrine of Manifest Destiny. The goal of genocide justified by the doctrine of Zionism has been part of Israel's agenda ever since. Read the OT sometime. The Hebrews were righteously slaughtering the Canaanites for their land even back then. It's their divinely "promised land" afterall, or so their religion brainwashes them into believing. Fuck the Palestinians for being on their own land.
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Syne Offline
(Jul 30, 2025 03:10 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:CCR has conducted anti-Israel activity since at least 2005.

LOL Define "anti-Israel" activity. Espionage to overthrow the Israeli govt? Or saying something bad about the Israeli govt? Have you ever heard of "free speech"?

Active in lawfare suits against Israel and Israeli officials (including Avi Dichter and Moshe Ya’alon); promotes anti-Israel BDS campaigns; urges the U.S. government to stop providing military aid to Israel...
- https://ngo-monitor.org/ngos/center_for_...al_rights/

The BDS movement is designed to starve Israel economically, and ceasing US military aid would literally be the end of Israel.

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Quote:In 1947, Israel started taking over territory the UN granted it (from the British-ruled Mandatory Palestine, region not a nation) to form the state of Israel.

"Taking over a territory" already belonging to the indigenous Palestinians. Hence their killing of 15,000 of them and burning 531 of their villages and expelling 750,000 of them as homeless refugees. That's what "taking over a territory" means. Like Americans took over the territories of Native Americans citing the doctrine of Manifest Destiny. The goal of genocide justified by the doctrine of Zionism has been part of Israel's agenda ever since. Read the OT sometime. The Hebrews were righteously slaughtering the Canaanites for their land even back then. It's their divinely "promised land" afterall, or so their religion brainwashes them into believing. Fuck the Palestinians for being on their own land.
No such thing as "indigenous Palestinians." Learn some history. Prior to the UN's Partition Plan for Palestine, Palestinians were Arabs from many countries and Jews. The Arabs actually moved there because the Jews made the region economically viable and profitable.
No, not like Manifest Destiny, as the legal authority over the region, Britain and the UN, literally gave them the territory. The goal was removing hostile Arab Muslims who insisted Jews had no right to the land, and were an existential threat to the existence of Israel... just as they remain today.
"Canaanite" is a demonym, which is an ethnic catch-all for any and all ethnicities that existed in the geographical region of Canaan. Yes, in BCE, all nations were established through conquest. Singling out Jews would be a special pleading that smacks of antisemitism.
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Ahh revisionist history. The last desperate refuge of the genocidal..

"Palestinians (Arabic: الفلسطينيون, romanized: al-Filasṭīniyyūn) are an Arab ethnonational group native to the Levantine region of Palestine.[35][36][37][38] They represent a highly homogeneous community who share one cultural and ethnic identity,[39][40][41] speak Palestinian Arabic and share close religious, linguistic, and cultural ties with other Levantine Arabs.

In 1919, Palestinian Muslims and Christians constituted 90 percent of the population of Palestine, just before the third wave of Jewish immigration and the setting up of British Mandatory Palestine after World War I.[42][43] Opposition to Jewish immigration spurred the consolidation of a unified national identity, though Palestinian society was still fragmented by regional, class, religious, and family differences.[44][45] The history of the Palestinian national identity is a disputed issue amongst scholars.[46][47] For some, the term "Palestinian" is used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by Palestinian Arabs from the late 19th century and in the pre-World War I period, while others assert the Palestinian identity encompasses the heritage of all eras from biblical times up to the Ottoman period.[38][48][49] After the Israeli Declaration of Independence, the 1948 Palestinian expulsion, and more so after the 1967 Palestinian exodus, the term "Palestinian" evolved into a sense of a shared future in the form of aspirations for a Palestinian state.[38]

Founded in 1964, the Palestine Liberation Organization is an umbrella organization for groups that represent the Palestinian people before international states.[50] The Palestinian National Authority, officially established in 1994 as a result of the Oslo Accords, is an interim administrative body nominally responsible for governance in Palestinian population centres in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.[51] Since 1978, the United Nations has observed an annual International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People. According to British historian Perry Anderson, it is estimated that half of the population in the Palestinian territories are refugees.[52]

Despite various wars and exoduses, roughly one half of the world's Palestinian population continues to reside in the territory of former Mandatory Palestine, now encompassing Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.[53] In Israel proper, Palestinians constitute almost 21 percent of the population as part of its Arab citizens.[54] Many are Palestinian refugees or internally displaced Palestinians, including over 1.4 million in the Gaza Strip,[2] over 870,000 in the West Bank,[55] and around 250,000 in Israel proper. Of the Palestinian population who live abroad, known as the Palestinian diaspora, more than half are stateless, lacking legal citizenship in any country.[56] 2.3 million of the diaspora population are registered as refugees in neighboring Jordan, most of whom hold Jordanian citizenship;[6][57] over 1 million live between Syria and Lebanon, and about 750,000 live in Saudi Arabia, with Chile holding the largest Palestinian diaspora concentration (around half a million) outside of the Arab world."---- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians

NYT article on the IDF lie that Hamas is stealing food and supplies from UN transports...

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world...theft.html

"For nearly two years, Israel has accused Hamas of stealing aid provided by the United Nations and other international organizations. The government has used that claim as its main rationale for restricting food from entering Gaza.

But the Israeli military never found proof that the Palestinian militant group had systematically stolen aid from the United Nations, the biggest supplier of emergency assistance to Gaza for most of the war, according to two senior Israeli military officials and two other Israelis involved in the matter.

In fact, the Israeli military officials said, the U.N. aid delivery system, which Israel derided and undermined, was largely effective in providing food to Gaza’s desperate and hungry population.

Now, with hunger at crisis levels in the territory, Israel is coming under increased international pressure over its conduct of the war in Gaza and the humanitarian suffering it has brought. Doctors in the territory say that an increasing number of their patients are suffering from — and dying of — starvation.

More than 100 aid agencies and rights groups warned this past week of “mass starvation” and implored Israel to lift restrictions on humanitarian assistance. The European Union and at least 28 governments, including Israeli allies like Britain, France and Canada, issued a joint statement condemning Israel’s “drip-feeding of aid” to Gaza’s two million Palestinian residents.

Israel has largely brushed off the criticism.

David Mencer, a government spokesman, said this week that there was “no famine caused by Israel.” Instead, he blamed Hamas and poor coordination by the United Nations for any food shortages.

On Saturday night, however, the Israeli military announced that it would revive the practice of dropping aid from airplanes, and make it easier for aid convoys to move through Gaza along “designated humanitarian corridors.”

The announcement did not detail how either mechanism would work or how they would differ from prior approaches. Israel already allows aid convoys to travel along designated routes through Gaza, but aid agencies say they are badly coordinated, reducing their effectiveness.

Foreign countries, in coordination with the Israeli Air Force, dropped aid in Gaza last year but the practice ended after some airdrops hit people and property, and others landed in the sea and in Israel.

The military’s statement came a day after Israeli officials again agreed to allow nations to parachute aid into Gaza. A military spokesman, Lt. Col. Nadav Shoshani, said late Saturday that the first airborne deliveries would be dropped overnight by Israel over northern Gaza, before foreign air forces would take over on Sunday.

Israel moved in May toward replacing the U.N.-led aid system that had been in place for most of the 21-month Gaza war, opting instead to back a private, American-run operation guarded by armed U.S. contractors in areas controlled by Israeli military forces. Some aid still comes into Gaza through the United Nations and other organizations.

The new system has proved to be much deadlier for Palestinians trying to obtain food handouts. According to the Gaza Health Ministry, almost 1,100 people have been killed by gunfire on their way to get food handouts under the new system, in many cases by Israeli soldiers who opened fire on hungry crowds. Israeli officials have said they fired shots in the air in some instances because the crowds came too close or endangered their forces.

The military officials who spoke to The New York Times said that the original U.N. aid operation was relatively reliable and less vulnerable to Hamas interference than the operations of many of the other groups bringing aid into Gaza. That’s largely because the United Nations managed its own supply chain and handled distribution directly inside Gaza.

Hamas did steal from some of the smaller organizations that donated aid, as those groups were not always on the ground to oversee distribution, according to the senior Israeli officials and others involved in the matter. But, they say, there was no evidence that Hamas regularly stole from the United Nations, which provided the largest chunk of the aid.

A Hamas representative did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

An internal U.S. government analysis came to a similar conclusion, Reuters reported on Friday. It found no evidence of systematic Hamas theft of U.S.-funded humanitarian supplies, the report said.

“For months, we and other organizations were dragged through the mud by accusations that Hamas steals from us,” said Georgios Petropoulos, a former U.N. official in Gaza who oversaw aid coordination with Israel for nearly 13 months of war.

The senior military officials and others interviewed by The Times spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly on behalf of the military or government. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

In a statement, the military said that it has been “well documented” that Hamas has routinely “exploited humanitarian aid to fund terrorist activities.” But the military did not dispute the assessment that there was no evidence that Hamas regularly stole aid from the United Nations.

The Israeli government and military have often clashed over how to conduct the war in Gaza. Early last year, top commanders urged a cease-fire with Hamas to secure the release of hostages. Mr. Netanyahu’s government instead expanded the ground operation in southern Gaza.

Israel used the rationale that Hamas steals aid when it cut off all food and other supplies to Gaza between March and May. In March, after a cease-fire between Hamas and Israel collapsed, Mr. Netanyahu said: “Hamas is currently taking control of all supplies and goods entering Gaza,” and he declared that Israel would prevent anything from entering the territory.

That blockade, and problems with a new aid system that launched in May, brought hunger and starvation in Gaza to the current crisis levels.

For most of the war, the United Nations was the largest single source of aid entering Gaza, according to data from the Israeli military unit that oversees policy in the territory.

Now, the new aid system is managed instead by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, or G.H.F., a private American company led by a former C.I.A. agent. It was intended to eventually replace international aid organizations and the U.N. role.

But it has only a few distribution hubs, compared with hundreds under the former U.N.-run operation.

The new system’s rollout at the end of May was quickly followed by near-daily episodes of deadly violence near distribution sites. Desperate and hungry Palestinians must go to the few aid distribution sites located in areas controlled by Israeli forces. The hours of operation are limited and supplies run out, so crowds arrive early, with some walking for miles to get there.

After concluding that Hamas had not stolen from the United Nations on a regular basis, members of the Israeli military met in mid-March with Mr. Netanyahu’s military adviser to discuss the government’s emerging plans for a new aid system, according to the officials interviewed by The Times.

At the meeting, they said, military officials expressed concerns about the intention for G.H.F. to be the sole provider of aid for all of Gaza and presented a plan to expand the U.N. role in parts of Gaza where the private group was not expected to operate.

The military officials in the meeting also suggested that the United Nations could distribute other types of aid that the G.H.F. does not hand out, such as medical supplies.

But the government initially dismissed the military’s plan, according to three of the people familiar with the matter and records reviewed by The Times.

Eventually, when the military warned of looming hunger in Gaza in May, the government changed its position and allowed the United Nations and other organizations to distribute aid along with the G.H.F.

Since May 19, when Israel allowed emergency supplies to resume entering Gaza after its two-month blockade, half of the aid has been distributed by the United Nations and international organizations, with the other half coming through the G.H.F., the Israeli military says.

Israeli soldiers patrolling the central Gaza Strip, photographed during an escorted tour by the Israeli military in February last year.Credit...Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times
Over the course of the war, the Israeli military released records and videos purporting to show how Hamas has been exploiting humanitarian aid. The army also shared what it described as internal Hamas documents found in a headquarters in Gaza, which discuss the percentage of aid taken by various Hamas wings and dated to early 2024. But those documents do not specifically refer to the theft of U.N. aid.

Israel has long had tense relations with the United Nations, which spilled over into open hostility during the Gaza war. Israel accuses the organization of bias and says that it was infiltrated by Hamas, including claims that U.N. staff took part in the Oct. 7, 2023, terrorist attack that started the war.

Israel has accused the United Nations of failing to collect truckloads of aid sitting idle near a border crossing into northern Gaza.

The United Nations, in turn, says the Israeli military has not provided enough secure routes to send those trucks in. It accuses Israel of destroying Gaza and blocking critical aid.

This past week, Israel refused to renew the visa of Jonathan Whittall, a senior U.N. humanitarian official who oversees humanitarian affairs in Gaza and the Israeli-occupied West Bank. Foreign Minister Gideon Saar said the official had “spread lies about Israel.”

Mr. Petropoulos, the former U.N. official in Gaza, welcomed the notion that some Israeli officials had recognized the U.N.-led aid system as effective during the war. But he said he wished that endorsement had come much sooner.

“If the U.N. had been taken at face value months ago, we wouldn’t have wasted all this time and Gazans wouldn’t be starving and being shot at trying to feed their families,” he said.

Patrick Kingsley contributed reporting.

Natan Odenheimer is a Times reporter in Jerusalem, covering Israeli and Palestinian affairs.

A version of this article appears in print on July 27, 2025, Section A, Page 1 of the New York edition with the headline: Israeli Officials Rebut Netanyahu On Hamas Thefts. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe


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Syne Offline
If only you'd read beyond your confirmation bias.

Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century, when an embryonic desire among Palestinians for self-government in the face of generalized fears that Zionism would lead to a Jewish state and the dispossession of the Arab majority crystallised among most editors, Christian and Muslim, of local newspapers.
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An independent Palestinian state has not exercised full sovereignty over the land in which the Palestinians have lived during the modern era. Palestine was administered by the Ottoman Empire until World War I, and then overseen by the British Mandatory authorities. Israel was established in parts of Palestine in 1948, and in the wake of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, the West Bank was ruled by Jordan, and the Gaza Strip by Egypt, with both countries continuing to administer these areas until Israel occupied them in the Six-Day War.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians#

Prior to Israel becoming a nation, Jews in the region were also considered Palestinian and were the ones who ruled and occupied the region the longest prior to the Ottoman Empire. Try learning some history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Th...tisemitism
The New York Times’ blatant antisemitism

The UN said on Monday that nine staff working for its Palestine refugee agency UNRWA will be sacked because they may have been involved in the 7 October 2023 Hamas-led attacks against Israel.
Gaza: UN suspends aid operation after second Hamas-linked theft of supplies
Those are both directly from the UN. Their own people were involved with the Oct 7th attack and they admit Hamas has stolen aid.
You just have to search before Gaza aid became a cudgel against Israel to see them admit to the theft.





The leaked email that blows apart the BBC’s impartiality claims over Gaza

A leaked internal email from a BBC executive editor reveals that the Corporation has issued prescriptive instructions to staff on how to cover the humanitarian situation in Gaza. The memo, titled ‘Covering the food crisis in Gaza’, amounts to a top-down editorial diktat that discards impartiality, elevates one side of a deeply contested narrative, and imposes a specific anti-Israel legal-political framing as settled fact. The existence of this email is a telling sign of how the Corporation works to ensure its journalists stick to its own ideological angles.

The email, which was sent to BBC staff on Friday, begins by declaring that ‘the argument over how much aid has crossed into Gaza is irrelevant’ and instructs staff that ‘we should say’ the current distribution system ‘doesn’t work’. It explicitly favours a particular explanation of suffering in Gaza: one that blames the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), a relatively new aid body established with US and Israeli cooperation, while glossing over the role of Hamas, the rulers of Gaza and a proscribed terrorist organisation under British law.

But the quantity of aid entering Gaza is not irrelevant. If Hamas is hijacking, obstructing, or reselling aid, as Israeli and independent reports suggest, and as documented footage and testimony have supported, then the location, handling, and efficacy of aid delivery become vital indicators of where the problem lies. Blaming Israel alone for the humanitarian breakdown while exonerating or ignoring Hamas is not responsible or fair journalism, especially as Israel argues it is going to extreme lengths to try to mitigate the jihadi terrorists’ efforts to persecute and deprive Gazan citizens.

The BBC’s memo labels the GHF system a failure and instructs staff to say so. Yet the evidence is far from conclusive. Hunger and deprivation levels in Gaza remain unclear, with wildly varying estimates depending on source and political posture.

The BBC – which declined to comment on the email – appears content to accept casualty figures and starvation claims from Hamas-linked bodies or sympathetic NGOs as definitive, while dismissing or omitting Israeli data and counterclaims. The email directs staff to reference ‘mounting evidence’ of starvation and deaths around aid centres, yet makes no mention of Hamas operatives looting convoys, obstructing access, or even firing on civilians attempting to collect food – allegations which have been made publicly by Israel and backed at times by video and eyewitness testimony.



The dam about the media bias is starting to show cracks.
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Quote:Prior to Israel becoming a nation, Jews in the region were also considered Palestinian and were the ones who ruled and occupied the region the longest prior to the Ottoman Empire. Try learning some history.

Uh no. The Palestinians were never Jews liar. Sometimes it's embarrassing to even be talking to you.

"In 1919, Palestinian Muslims and Christians constituted 90 percent of the population of Palestine, just before the third wave of Jewish immigration and the setting up of British Mandatory Palestine after World War I."
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Syne Offline
(Jul 30, 2025 06:51 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Prior to Israel becoming a nation, Jews in the region were also considered Palestinian and were the ones who ruled and occupied the region the longest prior to the Ottoman Empire. Try learning some history.

Uh no. The Palestinians were never Jews liar. Sometimes it's embarrassing to even be talking to you.

"In 1919, Palestinian Muslims and Christians constituted 90 percent of the population of Palestine, just before the third wave of Jewish immigration and the setting up of British Mandatory Palestine after World War I."

Ahem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews

Historically illiterate moron.

Even your cited wiki:

During the Mandatory Palestine period, the term "Palestinian" was used to refer to all people residing there, regardless of religion or ethnicity, and those granted citizenship by the British Mandatory authorities were granted "Palestinian citizenship". Other examples include the use of the term Palestine Regiment to refer to the Jewish Infantry Brigade Group of the British Army during World War II, and the term "Palestinian Talmud", which is an alternative name of the Jerusalem Talmud, used mainly in academic sources.

Following the 1948 establishment of Israel, the use and application of the terms "Palestine" and "Palestinian" by and to Palestinian Jews largely dropped from use. For example, the English-language newspaper The Palestine Post, founded by Jews in 1932, changed its name in 1950 to The Jerusalem Post. The term Arab Jews can include Jews with Palestinian heritage and Israeli citizenship, although some Arab Jews prefer to be called Mizrahi Jews.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians


Again, you make a fool of youself by simple not reading beyond your confirmation bias.
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Magical Realist Offline
LOL! Kinda hard to call Palestinians Jews in 1919 when 90% of them were Muslim and Christian Arabs.. 9_9

"Palestinians (Arabic: الفلسطينيون, romanized: al-Filasṭīniyyūn) are an Arab ethnonational group native to the Levantine region of Palestine.[35][36][37][38] They represent a highly homogeneous community who share one cultural and ethnic identity,[39][40][41] speak Palestinian Arabic and share close religious, linguistic, and cultural ties with other Levantine Arabs."
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