'Someone' is reported as saying "Israel says it does not limit the number of trucks that enter Gaza, though thousands of trucks outside the border have not been allowed in."
Are trucks allowed in or aren't they? Col. Abdullah Halabi, Israel’s head of the Coordination and Liaison Administration for Gaza, insisted Thursday that the border crossing is not the bottleneck, but rather, “it is the collection issue that is preventing the continuous delivery of humanitarian aid into Gaza.”
So what precisely is "the collection issue"? Is it simply that Israel wants complete military control of 'collection' and unless the UN agree to that the trucks are stopped at the border.
Quote:Aid agencies say they would like to deliver aid, but that Israel has riddled the process with delays and denials, changing schedules and routes, sometimes at the last minute, making it difficult or impossible to safely retrieve the aid for distribution. Half of the 138 requests the World Food Programme made in the last week to collect aid from holding sites were denied, the agency said Friday. Even after being approved to load the aid, the WFP said, “convoys are typically delayed” and take as much as 46 hours before receiving the final approval to travel along the strip.
Clearly drivers would be risking their lives to deliver aid .. which side poses the greater threat is unclear .. very likely the Israelis.
There's still fighting going on, apparently making travel and distribution within Gaza a very complicated bureaucratic process.
Gazans on foot that try to reach the food distribution sites of the GHF are shot at and killed. That's one of the biggest "What the --" enigmas that never seems fully clarified. Unless it has something to do with "keeping the food out of Hamas hands". Or driving mobs away when it is not a designated time to dispense food.
The U.N. doesn't like the supply airdrops (like Starmer is resorting to) because "they fall on Gazans and kill them". What has changed today is that Israel will institute military pauses each day to allow convoys to make some degree of progress.
EXCERPTS: Israel will pause military action for hours each day in parts of Gaza and increase aid drops in the enclave, as the country has faced an international uproar over reports and images of starving Palestinians.
[...] In recent weeks, more than 800 people have been killed while trying to reach food, according to the United Nations, mostly in shootings by Israeli soldiers posted near controversial Gaza Humanitarian Foundation distribution centers. [see article at bottom for more details on the shootings]
[...] Beginning July 27, Israel will pause military action in a humanitarian area along the coast of Gaza for 10 hours at a time, from 10 a.m. to 8 p.m. local time, each day. The military said designated secure routes for convoys delivering food and medicine will also be in place between 6 a.m. and 11 p.m.
Tom Fletcher, aid chief for the United Nations, called the move a "welcome announcement" in a post on X. "In contact with our teams on the ground who will do all we can to reach as many starving people as we can in this window," Fletcher wrote.
[...] Hunger in Gaza escalated after Israel cut off supplies in March. Israel had said it was committed to allowing in aid – but needed to control it to prevent it from being diverted by Hamas. The country also accused the U.N. of failing to act in a timely fashion, saying 700 truckloads of aid were idling inside Gaza.
"Responsibility for food distribution to the population in Gaza lies with the UN and international aid organizations," the Israeli military said in a July 26 statement. "Therefore, the UN and international organizations are expected to improve the effectiveness of aid distribution and to ensure that the aid does not reach Hamas."
An internal U.S. government analysis found no evidence of systematic theft by Hamas of U.S.-funded humanitarian supplies, Reuters reported last week.
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EXCERPTS: A group of Democratic senators led by Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland is urging the Trump administration to suspend American financial support for the Israeli-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, a private food distribution organization that has been heavily criticized for the way it delivers food aid to Gazans and because so many have been killed trying to reach its distribution sites.
The U.S. and Israel have advocated for the recently established GHF to replace the United Nations, which has built an extensive network of humanitarian workers inside Gaza over decades. Israel accuses the U.N. of bias and collusion with Hamas.
In a letter sent to Secretary of State Marco Rubio Sunday, the 21 senators expressed "grave" concerns about "the U.S. role in and financial support for the troubled GHF."
"We urge you to immediately cease all U.S. funding for GHF and resume support for the existing UN-led aid coordination mechanisms with enhanced oversight to ensure that humanitarian aid reaches civilians in need," the letter reads.
[...] The U.N. human rights office said 1,054 people were killed while trying to obtain food since late May, and of those, 766 were killed while trying to reach sites run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. The others were killed when gunfire erupted around U.N. convoys or aid sites.
[...] The U.N. has said the airdrops are insufficient. Past airdrops have fallen on Gazans and killed them. Now the approximately 2 million people live in Gaza and have been herded into an even more limited zone that lacks extensive open space where air-dropped pallets can land.
Quote:Currently, the Israeli authorities are the sole decision makers on who, how and how much aid enters the Gaza Strip, and the type of supplies that are allowed in. Logistical challenges are immense: To collect supplies that have reached any of the Israeli crossings around Gaza — all of which are fenced off and heavily guarded — drivers need multiple access approvals, as well as a pause in the bombing and for the iron gates to slide open.
All too often, civilians approaching our trucks are shot at. To collect supplies safely, we must get reliable assurances that troops would not engage or be present along the routes of our convoys.
SyneJul 28, 2025 03:16 AM (This post was last modified: Jul 28, 2025 03:16 AM by Syne.)
(Jul 28, 2025 01:03 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: You know the Nazis had ways of covering up their own genocide of Jews. They even painted and planted gardens in a Jewish camp to make it look all nice to the visiting Red Cross. It didn't work. Their own propaganda that Jews were all being treated fine eventually collapsed under the relentless spotlight of worldwide media attention. Sound familiar?
Comparing Israeli policy towards Palestinians with Nazi policy regarding Jews is an example of Holocaust inversion, where reality is inverted (the Israelis are cast as the "new" Nazis and the Palestinians as the "new" Jews), and an inversion of morality (the Holocaust is presented as a moral lesson for, or even a moral indictment of, "the Jews"). Holocaust Inversion acts as a force against identifying the changing nature of contemporary antisemitism and creating a cohesive coalition against it. After all, who would want to defend modern-day Nazis?
Just another way to justify hating Jews. You can tell yourself you're not a bad person, because those evil Jews deserve it. See how that works, dogshit?
(Jul 28, 2025 01:23 AM)confused2 Wrote:
(Jul 28, 2025 12:29 AM)Syne Wrote: The US/Israel-backed GHF distributes aid in a secure manner. The UN doesn't want to cooperate with that because they are antisemitic. They'd rather play politics with all the aid that just sits there waiting to be distributed.
Enough already..
The Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history. Instead of seeing it as a dispute between God's chosen people and Palestinians that don't exist * .. can we just go with what is real?
False flag attacks cut both ways .. nobody wants to drive a truck knowing their chances of arriving at their destination aren't good.
The UN claim deliveries are obstructed .. you say this is because they are antisemitic .. really? Israel have very good reasons for keeping control of food distribution .. is the UN being 'antisemitic' enough to convince you that the UN are liars? Obviously yes, but it isn't enough to convince everyone.
Edit ..
* this is a Biblical view without relevence to the current situation.
If you weren't historically illiterate, you'd know it has nothing to do with the Bible. Palestine has never been a nation. It's a region within the Levant. There is no such thing as Palestinian ancestry. DNA tests will only reveal the Levant region, which is a mix of Jews and Arabs. People took on the Palestinian identity, in large part, just to oppose a Jewish nation... which had the oldest and longest history in the region.
The onset of the Zionist movement, which sought to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine, also exercised a strong influence on Palestinian national consciousness.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#...ationalism
IOW, their identity was based in antisemitism from the start, which is why they still call for the genocide of the Jews and continue to commit terrorist and missile attacks against civilians for decades. "False flag" is another way antisemites try to justify their hatred of Jews as deserved. Hamas has long been known to kill Gaza civilians, use civilians as human shields, and send suicide bombers into Israel. Morally equating Hamas to Israel is disgusting.
The UN has a decades long history of criticizing and trying to sanction Israel, as Israel (the only democracy in the Middle East*) has been under attack by the worst human rights violators... which the UN largely ignore by comparison. The UN is now refusing to cooperate with the US/Israel-backed GHF, which is designed to provide security for humanitarian aid, just to make Israel look bad. They are abetting Hamas. If they really wanted to help the Gaza civilians, they would work with the GHF.
Post Oct 7th it became clear that the left has a huge antisemitism problem. Studies have shown that the legacy media is overwhelmingly staffed with leftists, so they promulgate the lies of the UN and others to, again, justify their antisemitism as somehow deserved. And after a certain point, persistent ignorance ceases to pass as unwillful.
*You'd think this would mean something, anything to liberals.
Quote:Comparing Israeli policy towards Palestinians with Nazi policy regarding Jews is an example of Holocaust inversion, where reality is inverted (the Israelis are cast as the "new" Nazis and the Palestinians as the "new" Jews), and an inversion of morality (the Holocaust is presented as a moral lesson for, or even a moral indictment of, "the Jews"). Holocaust Inversion acts as a force against identifying the changing nature of contemporary antisemitism and creating a cohesive coalition against it. After all, who would want to defend modern-day Nazis?
Wow..They've got an official name for it and everything. Sounds so...uhh..."real"?
There's nothing morally wrong about comparing genocidal regimes. It helps us to understand their origins and motivations and how they empower themselves thru deception and propaganda. The pattern is the same from one genocidal regime to another. And the aim is identical: the incarceration and extermination of a race or ethnicity or class from your own nation thru military means. It's amazing that you are more nervous about being called a name like antisemitic than you are about cheerleading the inhuman cruelties of a genocidal regime. One is just a name. The other is an atrocity so heinous it is hard to believe it is going on even to this very day. One is a thought crime. The other is an actual warcrime prosecutable under international law.
Quote:Currently, the Israeli authorities are the sole decision makers on who, how and how much aid enters the Gaza Strip, and the type of supplies that are allowed in. Logistical challenges are immense: To collect supplies that have reached any of the Israeli crossings around Gaza — all of which are fenced off and heavily guarded — drivers need multiple access approvals, as well as a pause in the bombing and for the iron gates to slide open.
All too often, civilians approaching our trucks are shot at. To collect supplies safely, we must get reliable assurances that troops would not engage or be present along the routes of our convoys.
The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) controversy seems to be a he-said/she-said situation (who to believe?). If the negative side is true, then US private contractors (their security people) have been involved in the killings of aid-seekers, too -- not just the IDF. Along with torturing them with that unpredictable mind-game of when it's a safe period to come out and try to get food from a GHF site, and when one will instead get shot.
At least some of the stories might be valid, because the accounts are coming from too many multiple sources, including IDF soldiers and officers themselves.
The bottom line is that the US should have left aid distribution in the hands of the UN and other groups, rather than taking on the brunt of that responsibility itself, via backing this private American organization (the GHF) as a kind of proxy. If a couple of decades from now it is revealed that the Israeli government really was deliberately seizing this as an opportunity to wipe out the Gazans via starvation, then the US just stuck its foot in the middle of sharing the blame for that kind of horror. As the rule goes: "Don't volunteer to be the savior or fixer of a futile cause or hopelessly complicated nightmare, especially when there are plenty of others raising their hands." Which is an addendum to "No good deed goes unpunished". Israel’s food points are not just death traps – they’re an alibi for the starvation of Gaza https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...famine-aid
EXCERPTS: The GHF runs four ration stations. Three are in the far south of Gaza in the ruins of Rafah, one in central Gaza. They’re all in military zones. They open for short periods and short notice. To get these rations, people must camp out in the rubble – ready to rush to the gates at a moment’s notice, and running the gauntlet of the Israel Defense Forces’ military posts. They know that the only means IDF soldiers have for crowd control is firing live ammunition – even when they’re not shooting to kill.
When the GHF speaks of “secure distribution sites”, it’s referring to how it controls its packages up to the point of handing them over, not to how it safely delivers them to the neediest. Dozens of aid seekers are killed each day trying to reach these sites.
How will the overstressed mother of hungry children, or elderly or disabled people, join this stampede? How would they run the gauntlet not only of those military posts but also of the gangsters keen to steal the most valuable foodstuffs for themselves, or to sell in the market? The GHF has no idea who is eating the rations. Theirs isn’t a formula for feeding the poorest. It’s the law of the jungle.
[...] The social breakdown that we are witnessing, the degrading of human beings, is not a byproduct of the harm that Israel is inflicting. That’s the central element of the crime: destroying Palestinian society. The government of Israel shows no indication that it cares in the slightest whether Palestinians live or die. It wants to avoid the stigma of being accused of starvation and genocide, and the GHF is its current alibi. Let’s not be fooled.
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In late June 2025, Haaretz released an article in which reporters spoke to multiple IDF soldiers and officers stationed at the GHF aid distribution sites. Soldiers said that they had received orders to fire on any unarmed aid seekers who arrived before the food distribution centers were open to "keep them away" and after they closed to disperse the crowds. One soldier told the Israeli newspaper that they were not aware of any shooting from "the other side." Because the opening times of the aid centers are not always consistent, Palestinians would approach at various times and this, according to a soldier interviewed by Haaretz, contributed to confusion and harm. The operation was reportedly called "Operation Salted Fish", named after the Israeli version of the children's game Red light, green light.
[...] According to two U.S. contractors, their colleagues have been firing live ammunition, lobbing stun grenades, and using pepper spray against hungry Palestinians seeking food. They also reported that the security staff hired were often unqualified and "seemed to have a license" to do whatever they wished. A spokesperson for SRS said there had been no serious injuries at any of their sites and that its security staff had fired live rounds to get the attention of civilians during "the height of desperation where crowd control measures were necessary for the safety and security of civilians." AP News added that the contractors reported that in addition to these measures, American contractors were documenting anyone they deemed suspect, and sharing that information with the IDF. A GHF spokesperson attributed these stories to people with a "vested interest" in seeing their efforts fail. SRS claims that Hamas has actively threatened the aid sites, while one of the contractors interviewed by the AP said they had never "felt" a threat from Hamas while on site.
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INTRO: A retired US special forces officer has revealed to the BBC why he resigned from his work with US- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid distribution centres.
"I witnessed the Israeli Defense Forces shooting at the crowds of Palestinians," Anthony Aguilar told the BBC.
He added that in his entire career he has never witnessed such a level of "brutality and use of indiscriminate and unnecessary force against a civilian population, an unarmed, starving population".
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EXCERPT: Israel, which accuses Hamas of hoarding aid, has accused the terror group of attacking Gazan aid seekers near GHF sites and falsifying death tolls.
The IDF says that its soldiers only fire “warning shots” to control the crowds, though it has admitted that its fire has killed “several” Palestinians at aid sites.
The GHF consistently denies that there have been deadly shootings at its sites, and says that Hamas agitators have attacked and threatened its staff and have tried to cause unrest at the aid sites.
The Hamas-run Gaza health ministry says more than 1,000 people have been killed near the GHF sites since May...
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Syne Wrote:Palestine has never been a nation. It's a region within the Levant. There is no such thing as Palestinian ancestry.
This doesn't help. By the same token I am as much an American as you (assuming you are of European ancestry). Incensed? Yes of course because your standards are rooted in nothing more than whatever nonsense you think advances your chosen cause.
Quote:Palestine has never been a nation. It's a region within the Levant.
"As of March 2025, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 147 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 75% of all UN members.[1][2][3] It has been a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since November 2012.[4][5] This limited status is largely due to the fact that the United States, a permanent member of the UN Security Council with veto power, has consistently used its veto or threatened to do so to block Palestine's full UN membership."--- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio..._Palestine
SyneJul 28, 2025 08:55 PM (This post was last modified: Jul 28, 2025 09:04 PM by Syne.)
(Jul 28, 2025 04:27 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Comparing Israeli policy towards Palestinians with Nazi policy regarding Jews is an example of Holocaust inversion, where reality is inverted (the Israelis are cast as the "new" Nazis and the Palestinians as the "new" Jews), and an inversion of morality (the Holocaust is presented as a moral lesson for, or even a moral indictment of, "the Jews"). Holocaust Inversion acts as a force against identifying the changing nature of contemporary antisemitism and creating a cohesive coalition against it. After all, who would want to defend modern-day Nazis?
Wow..They've got an official name for it and everything. Sounds so...uhh..."real"?
There's nothing morally wrong about comparing genocidal regimes. It helps us to understand their origins and motivations and how they empower themselves thru deception and propaganda. The pattern is the same from one genocidal regime to another. And the aim is identical: the incarceration and extermination of a race or ethnicity or class from your own nation thru military means. It's amazing that you are more nervous about being called a name like antisemitic than you are about cheerleading the inhuman cruelties of a genocidal regime. One is just a name. The other is an atrocity so heinous it is hard to believe it is going on even to this very day. One is a thought crime. The other is an actual warcrime prosecutable under international law.
The global frenzy began on 23 July 2025, when the Daily Express ran the image of Mohammed on its front page. The article uses the image of Mohammed to promote the narrative of a mass famine in Gaza.
Within hours, almost every major outlet was using the image to tell the same story. Sky News, CNN, The Guardian, Daily Mail, New York Times, and The Times (UK) – they all ran with it, reinforcing the message: Gaza is gripped by mass starvation, and this image is the proof:
Except this image proves none of it. Wider and unpublished pictures show Mohammed’s healthy brother Joud, who was born on 18 April 2022 and is 3 years old. Mohammed was born on 23 December 2023, just two months after October 7.
What we can see from the pictures is that both Mohammed’s mother and his older brother, look healthy and are not suffering from any type of starvation that would be necessary to cause the thinness suffered by Mohammed.
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Muhammad Zakariya Ayyoub al-Matouq /Mutawwaq (was born with serious genetic disorders. He has needed specialist medical supplements since birth. Like previous examples of the media using ‘starving children’ going back to summer 2024 – the image is of a child suffering underlying (and hidden) health issues.
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From everything I’ve learned, Mohammed’s mother is simply trying to find help for her child. She’s not hiding the truth. She tells the full story to anyone who asks. Yet every journalist who has spoken to her has made the same cynical decision: ignore the medical reality, strip the context, and turn her child into a propaganda weapon.
As I've said before, why are there zero pictures of starving adults, who require way more calories than children? Either there is no starving or those adults don't care if children starve. Most decent parents would rather suffer themselves than to see their child suffer. Willingness to ignore these adults using children as pawns (whether by starving them or using lies about underlying medical conditions... the real inhuman cruelties happening here) and accept every unsubstantiated lie from the legacy media (via Hamas terrorists' own health ministry) that has proven to push narrative over actual journalism, makes you either a gullible dupe or a willful antisemite.
Motivations?
Israel has no motive to do a slow genocide that would inevitably draw worldwide attention and condemnation, especially when it had the means and the justification to "accidentally" go overboard in its immediate response to Oct 7th. Hamas has all the motivation to push propaganda. Stealing aid has been one of their most reliable income streams, even before the war. With some income, Hamas cannot survive in power.
Let’s be clear: Hamas cannot afford to lose control over aid distribution – not if it intends to remain the ruling power in post-war Gaza. Channeling or controlling aid has always been one of the terrorist group’s most reliable sources of income. That’s why it has been essential for Hamas to discredit the US-Israeli GHF aid program and portray it as a failure. This has included an almost daily pantomime of unverified claims that hundreds have been killed in Israeli attacks while queuing for aid. Yet in the most documented conflict zone in history, credible video evidence remains conspicuously absent = despite claims of daily occurrences
Hamas has repeatedly proven that it will do anything for its own survival, including attacking Gaza civilians and using them as human shields. Why there's any incredulity over their use of propaganda is just willful ignorance.
Media coverage?
It's simply a bandwagon fallacy (argumentum ad populum) that something is true simply because many people, including those in legacy media, believe it.
In a propaganda war this calculated and brutal, it was vital that our media act as a check on the lies. Not just for Israel’s sake, but for the Palestinian civilians caught in the middle.
When legacy media outlets become mouthpieces for radical Islamist groups — out of ideology, ignorance, or cowardice — it isn’t just a journalistic collapse – it’s a moral disgrace.
And the result is that the UN has a fake justification for not distributing tins of aid to Gaza. Believing the lies, intentional or not, has the result of creating the starvation Israel never did. It's a self-fulfilling prophesy. Push Hamas lies, demonize Israel trying to cut Hamas off from a source of funding, refuse to work with Israel (even if that means Gaza civilians don't get aid), and then blame Israel for everything.
That's antisemitism.
(Jul 28, 2025 11:30 AM)confused2 Wrote:
Syne Wrote:Palestine has never been a nation. It's a region within the Levant. There is no such thing as Palestinian ancestry.
This doesn't help. By the same token I am as much an American as you (assuming you are of European ancestry). Incensed? Yes of course because your standards are rooted in nothing more than whatever nonsense you think advances your chosen cause.
No, you have no historical connection to America. Simple reasoning you seem incapable of.
My standards are basic history. Learn some.
(Jul 28, 2025 03:55 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Palestine has never been a nation. It's a region within the Levant.
"As of March 2025, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 147 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 75% of all UN members.[1][2][3] It has been a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since November 2012.[4][5] This limited status is largely due to the fact that the United States, a permanent member of the UN Security Council with veto power, has consistently used its veto or threatened to do so to block Palestine's full UN membership."--- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio..._Palestine
Nations are not established from the outside, just like democracies aren't (and external nation building is always a failure).
Yes, when allowed to have free elections, Gaza elected terrorists to rule and continue attacking Israel. Why any sensible, democratic person would think that warrants a seat on the UN assembly is baffling. Palestine has NEVER successfully ruled itself. It has always relied on external aid just to keep it afloat. That is not an independent nation.
Learn some history.
Syne Wrote:No, you have no historical connection to America. Simple reasoning you seem incapable of.
My standards are basic history. Learn some.
So a historical connection to America turns Europeans into Americans but doesn't (by your standards) turn Palestinians into Palestinians. This is why I say your standards are based on whatever nonsense you feel advances your favoured outcome.
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