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Magical Realist
Jun 19, 2025 03:11 AM
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Quote:Again, quote spamming a wiki article edited by antisemites does nothing.
So every information source that doesn't agree with Israel's genocidal policies against Gaza is automatically antisemitic? That's an awfully big conspiracy theory there. Do you even know what antisemitism is? And quoting pertinent information isn't the definition of "spamming" dumbass. If you can't bother to read it, that's on you.
"Supporting the people of Gaza or advocating for their rights is not inherently antisemitic.
Here's why and how to distinguish between legitimate concern for Palestinians and antisemitism:
Focus on Human Rights: Supporting the people of Gaza often stems from concern for their human rights and the humanitarian situation in the region, which has been described as a "mass grave for Palestinians" Doctors Without Borders - USA.
Criticism of Israeli Government Actions: It is acceptable and not considered problematic to disagree with or criticize the Israeli government's policies and actions, including those affecting Palestinians in Gaza. This can include criticisms related to the blockade, settlement policies, or the use of force.
Advocacy for Palestinian Self-Determination: Supporting the right of Palestinians to self-determination and advocating for their rights is also not antisemitic."
Quote:Apparently you also missed that the WHO and IPC have not declared a famine in Gaza.
"The WHO, a member of the IPC (Integrated Food Security Phase Classification) partnership, which assesses food security, states that people are already starving, sick, and dying. Malnutrition rates among children are particularly alarming, with nearly 71,000 children under the age of five expected to be acutely malnourished in the coming months if the situation persists."
"The UN's humanitarian chief has said people in Gaza are being subjected to forced starvation by Israel.
In an interview with the BBC, Tom Fletcher said he believed this had led to a change in the international response to Gaza.
Asked if his assessment of forced starvation amounted to a war crime, he said: "Yeah, it is. It is classified as a war crime. Obviously, these are issues for the courts to take the judgement on, and ultimately for history to take a judgement on."----
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0k3d1y10pzo
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Syne
Jun 19, 2025 04:30 AM
Block quoting a wiki page is spamming, or kettle logic, at best. I can tear it apart, but its shear length makes that an unreasonable drain on my time. If you had a life, you'd realize that.
First, many are playing fast and loose with the distinction between malnutrition and famine, often conflating the two to inflate the claim. "On 3 January 2024, Arif Husain, the chief economist at the WFP, stated 80 percent of all people in the world experiencing famine or catastrophic hunger were in the Gaza Strip." Except neither the WHO nor IPC have declared a famine in Gaza. And this is from almost a year and a half ago.
Starvation ensues when the fat reserves are completely exhausted and protein is the only fuel source available to the body. Malnutrition refers to one not receiving proper nutrition and does not distinguish between the consequences of too many nutrients or the lack of nutrients, both of which impair overall health.
- https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/...lnutrition
Food insecurity, hunger, malnutrition, starvation, and famine are not interchangeable terms. Each has a distinct meaning. Not that you'd comprehend that.
"According to a United Nations report from June 2025, 2,700 children under the age of five in Gaza were suffering from acute malnutrition, representing a threefold increase compared to three months earlier." So between January 2024 and June 2025 we only have an increase in malnutrition. Again, not the same as starvation.
Antisemites projecting their own genocidal desires on Israel doesn't make it so.
Gazans self-determination elected Hamas and overwhelmingly supported its terrorism, including Oct 7th, including many civilians participating in the attack and even housing hostages. Advocacy for that is blatant antisemitism.
"in the coming months" from May 30, while aid is currently incoming, means it's not likely to materialize. Again, they are conflating terms to dupe the morons.
The UN has been openly antisemitic for a long time, and Tom Fletcher works for the UN.
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Magical Realist
Jun 19, 2025 05:26 AM
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You can parse the fine meanings of the words "starvation" and "malnutrition" and "hunger" all you want, but you can't deny the video evidence of this atrocity. Unless you wanna claim that images can be antisemitic too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1mXn7qNRv8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx06EVFvT38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q1YBhJA-rU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-vqjU-83Nc
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Syne
Jun 19, 2025 04:38 PM
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All the usual Hamas-pandering suspects. Al Jazeera, BBC, NBC, MSNBC.
I see a lot of military-age men who could rise up against Hamas (or at least provide the IDF with intel on them) and help return the 53 remaining hostages who have been held since Oct 2023. I see children being crushed by a crowd of uncaring adults, much more interested in their own well-being than helping children. I see women and their children abandoned by the society and able-bodied men around them. What I don't see are any severely malnourished adults... who gave up their food for children. So either they just don't care about children or they are intentionally using children as pawns in their propaganda. We (or Israel) would have to occupy and control all of Gaza to stop that. But leftists don't want that either.
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Magical Realist
Jun 19, 2025 05:39 PM
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That's a pretty cynical attitude towards people being starved to death. Like they somehow deserve what they're getting because of some terrorist group. Do you comprehend the injustice of starving 2 million innocent people just because of what Hamas has done? Do you grasp the desperation of having no food to eat and being reduced to mobs of frantic grovelers just trying to get a bowl of rice for your family? Have you ever gone without food for a week? Water for a few days? Don't presume to morally judge these victims of genocide for your own bemusement.
In answer to your question of why the Gazans don't rise up against Hamas, I found this sensible response:
"Hamas is the government in the Gaza Strip. They control everything, media, hospitals, food, water, housing, they control it all. Hamas provides all of which you get. They tell you that any lack of supplies of infrastructure is due to the hateful Jews. How would you know different? You are told anything you do get was given by Hamas.
You have very little food, water or shelter, and are told it’s the fault of the Jews. Hamas says it is going to get rid of those evil Jews and everything will be peaches and cream, just as long as you support Hamas.
The average Palestinian thinks Hamas is their friend, and Israel is their enemy. They literally have no outside information to refute this claim. Besides, why would you want to have peaceful relations with someone who withholds things you need to survive?"---- https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-the-Pales...-situation
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Syne
Jun 19, 2025 06:08 PM
That's how Hamas behaves and the Gazans not only elected into power but have overwhelming supported all their evil.
When people tell you who they are, believe them. And it's not just me. It's every other Arab/Muslim country who won't take in Gazan refugees for fear that they would destabilize any country they enter.
Again, I don't see any adults starving. I see plenty of military-age men whining. The same men who could be doing something about it. No Hamas and no more shelling and blockades. It's literally that simple.
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Syne
Jun 19, 2025 07:51 PM
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(Jun 19, 2025 05:39 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: "Hamas is the government in the Gaza Strip. They control everything, media, hospitals, food, water, housing, they control it all. Hamas provides all of which you get. They tell you that any lack of supplies of infrastructure is due to the hateful Jews. How would you know different? You are told anything you do get was given by Hamas.
You have very little food, water or shelter, and are told it’s the fault of the Jews. Hamas says it is going to get rid of those evil Jews and everything will be peaches and cream, just as long as you support Hamas.
The average Palestinian thinks Hamas is their friend, and Israel is their enemy. They literally have no outside information to refute this claim. Besides, why would you want to have peaceful relations with someone who withholds things you need to survive?"---- https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-the-Pales...-situation
So Hamas is literally to blame. They control the food, water, and the hospitals giving us the casualties and starvation figures. You can't say Hamas has diverted only a small amount of aid if they control everything. And if they control everything, Hamas are the only ones starving anyone. Again, I don't see Hamas or any military-age men starving... hence Hamas continuing to use civilians and children as propaganda.
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Magical Realist
Jun 19, 2025 08:19 PM
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Even Jewish sources admit that what Israel is doing to Gaza is genocide. This article is from 2023. Things are far worse now than back then:
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
"Under international law, the crime of genocide is defined by “the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such,” as noted in the December 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. In its murderous attack on Gaza, Israel has loudly proclaimed this intent. Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”
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Syne
Jun 19, 2025 09:05 PM
Jewish Currents is a far-left cover for leftist antisemitism.
Founded in 1946 as Jewish Life, Jewish Currents is a progressive secular magazine that has undergone significant changes throughout history. Initially affiliated with communism, the magazine supported a non-Zionist approach to Israel. However, it shifted to democratic socialism and started covering US-Soviet détente, Palestinian self-determination, and the civil rights movement. In 1958, it was renamed Jewish Currents and became a platform for progressive Jewish thought. The magazine was revitalized in 2005 when it started publishing online. In 2018, it was relaunched by millennials, and it now covers politics, culture, and social issues within the Jewish community. Jewish Currents is based in Brooklyn, NY.
- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/jewish-currents-bias/
Why is it that bigots have to always be reminded that sharing an ethnicity/race doesn't make your opinions more valid?
And even though deleted it from your post, you made the opposite argument when it didn't agree with your antisemitism:
(Jun 19, 2025 02:49 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: LOL All from Israeli newspapers. That's certainly a reliable source on this issue..
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Magical Realist
Jun 19, 2025 09:21 PM
Quote:Why is it that bigots have to always be reminded that sharing an ethnicity/race doesn't make your opinions more valid?
It debunks your asinine claim that being against Israel's treatment of Gaza constitutes antisemitism. No more than being against Trump's policies equates to hatred of Americans.
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