1st former president to be convicted of a criminal charge

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Magical Realist Online
Funny how republicans harp on about taking personal responsibility except when it comes to their beloved Trump. Trump made his own bed, now he has to lie in it (without Stormy Daniels). He couldn't even shut up from making disparaging comments about the judge and DA during the trial. Violated the gag order 10 times! He continually comes off as a lying, narcissistic, and obnoxious prick, and now of course he will play the victim card. Oh poor little Trump! Big bad democrats hate me so much! Actually the whole world hates you except for your devoted little flock of MAGA sheep. And that is the bed YOU made.
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C C Offline
What happened to Robert F. Kennedy Jr's voice? Parasitic worms ate part of his brain, too. Everyone cook your meat better, even when it comes to fresh-caught tuna. Don't eat it rare.

HEALTH: In his 40s Kennedy developed spasmodic dysphonia, a disorder that causes his voice to quaver and makes speech difficult. It is a form of an involuntary movement disorder called dystonia that affects only the larynx. Kennedy has said that he traveled to Kyoto, Japan, to have a titanium bridge inserted between his vocal cords to treat the condition.

Kennedy began experiencing severe short- and long-term memory loss and mental fog in 2010. In a 2012 court deposition, he said that parasitic worms had been found in his brain and chest, and that his neurological issues had been caused by "a worm eating a portion of his brain", in addition to mercury poisoning from eating large quantities of tuna fish. Kennedy said the worms did not require treatment.
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RFK Jr.: Trump conviction is 'going to backfire on the Democrats'
https://youtu.be/EDMQV4_AAVE

VIDEO EXCERPTS: I think that this conviction is going to backfire for the Democrats, I think every time that President Trump has been indicted, that his approval ratings actually increase, his popularity increases.

[...] I think the Democrats feel like they have a candidate that cannot win fair and square in the polls. And so they have to win in the courts. They have to win by clearing the deck and getting their other opponents out of the race.

I'm not a fan of President Trump's. But I want to win, I want to beat him in a campaign on a level playing field. I want to talk about his issues...

[...] I don't want to beat him in a courtroom. I think it's not good for our country and I think it's really going to backfire on the Democrats.

My father was the attorney general. His first week in office, he called out all the division heads of the bureau chiefs and the chief department of justice, and he said Rule Number One: we never prosecute based on politics. Politics is out the window. No matter whether someone is Democrat or Republican.

The reason he did that is because he understood how important it is for our country and the American people to have faith and the judicial system is neutral and all of us need to respected. If we start believing that it's politicized, it's terrible for our country.

That's one of the reasons prosecutors, even when there's a case against the former president like there was with President Nixon and many others, that they usually air on the side of caution of not bringing it. We risk making ourselves look like a third-world country, like a banana republic. Where if somebody's going to run against you, you get rid of them one way or another.

[...] There is tribalism in the media and a lot of them have forgotten what journalism is. A lot of them have forgotten about what integrity is. We see this across-the-board...

RFK Jr.: Trump conviction is 'going to backfire on the Democrats'

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/EDMQV4_AAVE
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Syne Offline
(May 31, 2024 03:40 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: An historic day indeed! Guilty on all 34 counts. Yes the rich and powerful still have to answer to justice! Lock up that scumbag felon and throw away the key!

Only a moron would crow about the US sinking to the status of banana republic.
The truly historic part is the blatant prosecution of political opponents. Democrats always cross the Rubicon first, and then whine like little babies when Republicans then follow their lead to appoint Supreme Court Justices (overturning Roe) and will inevitably use law-fare against Democrats in turn.

(May 31, 2024 12:52 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: The way you guys do politics he’s probably gained in popularity. People who voted for him figured all along he was guilty so does it change anything? If Biden wants to win Trump supporters over then he’ll probably have to pardon him. Christ, what a shitshow.

Well, he raked in enough campaign donations following the verdict that his website crashed from all the traffic.
He'll both gain cred from blacks, as a convicted felon, and most people know this will get overturned on appeal.

There is no path for Biden to capitalize on this enough to move the needle.

(May 31, 2024 05:53 PM)stryder Wrote: It should be noted that Trump was found guilty by a jury of the american public not the judge.

His defense team had ample opportunity to cross examine and remove anyone they fealt had the slightest bit of political bias.

If he's not happy with the result (which as you know he isn't) there is always the appeal courts, however if he spends time in there and finds it goes nowhere it will be both energy and money wasted on little results (other than panhandling for more money with his mantra about being innocent and how the systems against him.)

So in essence he's been found guilty not by the judges bias or politics, but by his way of handling events.

After the judge refused to allow the defense to call expert witnesses to testify about the underlying crime... the one that turned a statute of limitations expired misdemeanor into a felony. The judge also instructed the jury to pronounce him guilty without agreeing on which of the three hypothetical crimes the prosecutor posited. So not only was it jurors from deep blue NY, but it wasn't even a unanimous verdict as to the specific crime that elevated it to a felony.

According to NY state law, this should be easily overturned on appeal, since the underlying crime was never specified.

So in essence you're completely wrong.

(May 31, 2024 06:03 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Funny how republicans harp on about taking personal responsibility except when it comes to their beloved Trump. Trump made his own bed, now he has to lie in it (without Stormy Daniels). He couldn't even shut up from making disparaging comments about the judge and DA during the trial. Violated the gag order 10 times! He continually comes off as a lying, narcissistic, and obnoxious prick, and now of course he will play the victim card. Oh poor little Trump! Big bad democrats hate me so much! Actually the whole world hates you except for your devoted little flock of MAGA sheep. And that is the bed YOU made.

Personal responsibility for a real crime, not a misdemeanor with an expired statute of limitations (waiting to get closer to the election) that is only elevated to a felony by one of three hypothetical crimes the prosecutor never even tried to prove. But as usual, Democrats are the epitome of low-information voters.

If you think the whole world hates him, you're in for a rude awakening come November.
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Magical Realist Online
Quote:Only a moron would crow about the US sinking to the status of banana republic.

Ahh yes...the standard GOP talking point!

"The trial’s outcome is proof that the U.S. is actually not a modern state: House Majority Leader Steve Scalise declared the verdict proof that the U.S. has become a “banana republic.” Never mind that treating former political leaders accountable under the law is, in reality, one of the clearest indicators of robust rule of law in a democracy..."

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show...rcna154894
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Syne Offline
Moronic leftist citing far-left moron Maddow. 9_9
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#17
Magical Realist Online
Moronic rightwing parrot mindlessly repeating meaninglessly GOP talking points..
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Yazata Offline
(Jun 1, 2024 12:10 AM)Syne Wrote: Only a moron would crow about the US sinking to the status of banana republic.

The truly historic part is the blatant prosecution of political opponents.

Right. Can you imagine what they would be saying if a Republican administration in 2028 treated that year's democratic party Presidential candidate this way? You would hear the screaming about the "threat to democracy" as far away as the Moon! (And they would be right, it would be a threat to democracy.)

Quote:Democrats always cross the Rubicon first, and then whine like little babies when Republicans then follow their lead to appoint Supreme Court Justices (overturning Roe) and will inevitably use law-fare against Democrats in turn.

I hope they do. For example, I'd love to see high profile prosecutions under this felony statute which is already enacted and already in the criminal code:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324

Joe Biden and Alejandro Mayorkas would appear to be subject to a possible death penalty! The federal law already exists, all that's needed is a "Justice" Department courageous enough to bring down the necessary felony indictments.

Quote:There is no path for Biden to capitalize on this enough to move the needle.

I don't see the needle moving much either. Trump's lead has been growing in the seven swing states, even as this political show-trial was taking place.
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#19
Magical Realist Online
Yes...there is a statute of limitations of 5 years on felonies in New York state. But that can be extended if a person is out of state much of time, which Trump definitely was from 2017 to 2022.

https://youtu.be/F4QkgO3IfL4
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Syne Offline
(Jun 1, 2024 02:42 AM)Yazata Wrote:
(Jun 1, 2024 12:10 AM)Syne Wrote: Only a moron would crow about the US sinking to the status of banana republic.

The truly historic part is the blatant prosecution of political opponents.

Right. Can you imagine what they would be saying if a Republican administration in 2028 treated that year's democratic party Presidential candidate this way? You would hear the screaming about the "threat to democracy" as far away as the Moon! (And they would be right, it would be a threat to democracy.)
Considering they're already yelling about the threat to democracy, there would be truly unhinged screeching at the sky.

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Quote:Democrats always cross the Rubicon first, and then whine like little babies when Republicans then follow their lead to appoint Supreme Court Justices (overturning Roe) and will inevitably use law-fare against Democrats in turn.

I hope they do. For example, I'd love to see high profile prosecutions under this felony statute which is already enacted and already in the criminal code:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324

Joe Biden and Alejandro Mayorkas would appear to be subject to a possible death penalty! The federal law already exists, all that's needed is a "Justice" Department courageous enough to bring down the necessary felony indictments.
Wow. Yeah, they've definitely encouraged illegals aliens to cross our border, and some of them have murdered people. So that's basic felony murder, where a murder occurs due to the commission of another crime, and all those culpable of the underlying crime are equally guilty of the murder.

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Quote:There is no path for Biden to capitalize on this enough to move the needle.

I don't see the needle moving much either. Trump's lead has been growing in the seven swing states, even as this political show-trial was taking place.

Trump just raised 52.8 million in the 24 hours following the verdict. That's over 2 million an hour.

(Jun 1, 2024 02:35 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Moronic rightwing parrot mindlessly repeating meaninglessly GOP talking points..

You have to say that, because you don't know enough about the laws involved to make any real argument.

(Jun 1, 2024 03:44 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Yes...there is a statute of limitations of 5 years on felonies in New York state. But that can be extended if a person is out of state much of time, which Trump definitely was from 2017 to 2022.

That's not the statute of limitation involved here. It's the expired limitation on the misdemeanor of falsifying business records. The only way that could be prosecuted at all is that they claimed it was in furtherance of another crime. The problem is that they never could decide what that other crime was, nor even tried to prove it in court.

And of the hypothetical further crimes to make it a felony, the one the prosecutor's closing argument most leaned towards, election interference, was already investigated and not pursued by Biden's federal prosecutors.
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