1st former president to be convicted of a criminal charge

[Magical Realist]

Sexually attacking that woman, which the jury decided he did, means Trump is guilty of that act. There's no way around it. Even though he was not labeled "guilty of a crime" by the civil court, he was still morally guilty of sexual assault.

[Syne]

Maybe you should learn something of which you speak occasionally:

A jury found Donald Trump liable Tuesday for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996, awarding her $5 million in a judgment that could haunt the former president as he campaigns to regain the White House.

The verdict was split: Jurors rejected Carroll’s claim that she was raped, finding Trump responsible for a lesser degree of sexual abuse.
- https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-ca...f9ec83d7db

You calling it whatever you like doesn't change the law.

[Magical Realist]

Trump responsible for a lesser degree of sexual abuse.

Yep.. Guilty of sexual assault. Same exact thing.

Even though he was not labeled "guilty of a crime" by the civil court, he was still morally guilty of sexual assault.

You Republicans remember "morality" don't you? Have you ever been raped? Can you even imagine it? Let me paint a picture of Trump's attack for you...

"But then, she said, Trump slammed the door, pinned her against a wall, planted his mouth on hers, yanked her tights down and raped her as she tried to break away. Carroll said she ultimately pushed him off with her knee and immediately left the store."--- https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-ca...f9ec83d7db

IOW, Trump IS a pathetic rapist. And he hawks Bibles to cover his legal costs.

[Syne]

Civil suits have a far lower burden of proof, and thus far easier to get a liable verdict, especially playing on jurors' emotions in lieu of needing hard evidence as proof of an actual, prosecutable crime. But you've already proven you don't understand the law.

That civil suit actually didn't find Trump liable of rape. You can't have it both ways. Either that trial meant something, and Trump is liable of sexual abuse but not rape, or you're just willing to make anything into what you want to believe and the trial verdict is completely moot.

E. Jean Carrolll has spent decades changing her story, making jokes about it, etc.. After so long without any police report or contemporaneous evidence, it's likely all bullshit. Just like all the other opportunistic women going after the rich and famous... and this one only because NY waived their own statute of limitations just to get Trump.

[Magical Realist]

E. Jean Carrolll has spent decades changing her story, making jokes about it, etc.. After so long without any police report or contemporaneous evidence, it's likely all bullshit.

I'm not aware of any of that. Citations? Or is that all just something Trumpers/FoxNews made up about her to justify Trump's rape of her? That's probably the case seeing there are 24 other women saying he sexually assaulted/raped them too. IOW it all fits into a pattern and a profile for a serial rapist. Grab'em by the pussy right?

Let me ask you this: If you had a sister who was raped by Trump would you still vote for him? Be honest now..

[confused2]

Probably not very politically correct but..
Trump is 6' 3" and one of the most powerful men on the planet.
Anyone who thinks they are 'in control' around Trump .. really?
My advice to women would be..
1/ Don't dress like a whore.
2/ Don't eat or drink anything with him.
3/ Have an exit strategy.
4/ Be prepared to run.

[Syne]

Carroll initially chose not to describe the alleged sexual assault as rape, instead describing it as a fight. "My word is fight. My word is not the victim word ... I fought."

A couple of weeks after the New York magazine article was published, Carroll ran into lawyer George Conway (a Trump critic and husband of Kellyanne Conway), who told her to file a defamation lawsuit and helped her find a lawyer. Conway then wrote an op-ed for The Washington Post encouraging readers to believe Carroll.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Ca...Background

There are so many proven examples of women falsely alleging rich or famous men raped them, when they didn't report it to police and waiting years to decades to tell anyone at all... often conveniently when that man is in a more vulnerable public position. And if you're completely unaware of how women will throw themselves at rich, famous men, aw, you're so special.

If I had a sister who was raped, by anyone, she better be filing a police report and getting a rape kit done. Not wait years to decades to be an opportunist.

[confused2]

If I had a sister who was raped, by anyone, she better be filing a police report and getting a rape kit done.

It does seem very simple.. but..
Let's say she has a well-paid job that she loves .. if she files a report she's going to lose that job.. maybe not explicitly fired but the chances are she won't be able to continue as before. Is your sister one of those women that throw themselves at rich, famous men? Would you be totally surprised if five guys appeared out of the woodwork and said she is exactly 'that kind of woman'?

A woman is going to lose even if she wins so may well choose to pretend nothing happened. Stormy Danials is an exception .. having sex with a POTUS works in her favor.. the worry for Trump is what comes out of the closet at, like, payback time.

[Magical Realist]

Syne said: There are so many proven examples of women falsely alleging rich or famous men raped them, when they didn't report it to police and waiting years to decades to tell anyone at all..

"So, why don’t women report sexual violence immediately? It varies based on situation and the reasons can be complicated, but here are a few reasons I hear:

--The victim doesn’t immediately acknowledge or label the event as an assault, trauma or sexual abuse. They may not even understand that what they went through was rape/sexual assault. Often survivors can’t even say the word “rape” outlaid, especially in reference to their own experience for years.

--The woman is afraid she won’t be believed either because the assailant is in a position of power, is well liked or simply because they’re a female. To be honest, the recent news cycle isn’t helping with this. Survivors of sexual violence are watching the news very closely right now. They’re also seeing the reactions of their friends, colleagues, peers and family members on social media. Each time someone on social media posts that a survivor is trying to “ruin a man’s life,” or hears a politician make the case that their colleague shouldn’t lose his position due to “one mistake,” the survivor notices. When a loved one is discussing the news cycle and shakes their head saying, “Unfortunately it’s a case of he said, she said,” the survivor takes note. If they told you, if they came forward, their case would be the same.

--The victim is worried she is at fault. Maybe she had something to drink, initially eagerly engaged in making out, or agreed to go somewhere alone with a man and she thinks she should have “known better.” Even if she acknowledges that her actions don’t give the man a right to hurt her, she may worry that others will think something she did implied consent. For many, many years our society wrongly gave the impression that somehow women needed to “cover up” or make specific choices to avoid “giving the wrong impression.” Why is it ok for a man to attack a woman just because she’s drunk, dressed in revealing clothing or let him pay for a date? The answer is that it’s not, but women have often internalized that message to the point where they think they somehow “asked for” or “deserved” the sexual assault.

--The woman doesn’t think she can emotionally handle it if her attacker is found “not guilty” or “not responsible.” This is a tough one, because it’s a realistic fear. Entirely too often, rapists and assailants suffer little or no consequences even after a report has been made. This can feel devastating to the person making the report. It’s re-traumatizing to go through the reporting process and then they feel invalidated when their perpetrator is allowed to continue walking around as if nothing happened or faces very minimal consequence.

--The victim feels that reporting won’t make a difference because it can’t erase the trauma.

For more reasons, search #WhyIDidntReport on Twitter. The results are powerful. Women are speaking up across the country about the many, many reasons they hesitate to disclose sexual assault and instead live in silent pain."---- https://aspirecounselingmo.com/blog/wome...sault-rape

If I had a sister who was raped, by anyone, she better be filing a police report and getting a rape kit done. Not wait years to decades to be an opportunist.

So you wouldn't believe her? One of those golddiggers who throws herself at the rich and powerful? Poor sis!

[geordief]

He was found guilty of sexual assault.

I don't know who defends that behaviour (well Trump does ,as we are well aware)

EJ Caroll referred to said sex assault as rape..

That is a very loaded description as ,in layman's language it might imply a successful penetration of the vagina or anus .

To her great credit EJ Caroll fought off the Orange Turd (unlike his supporters who are willing to suck him off for god knows what reason)

As a result ,when in her own mind she considered this to be a rape the OT refused to accept the characterization of "rapist"

He thought a bit of sexual assault was "not too bad" or even laudable as per the "pussy tape"

Understandably the judge took her side rather than that of the human pig.

We all know what he did.

But some will defend him on the supposed basis that sexual assult shouldn't be called rape.

In my mind it is borderline.I have no sympathy for the OT even if he did have a point(which he lost when the judge ruled against him -and what a piece of shit for dragging the whole thing out,rather like his supporters)