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Double standards accepted without murmur in MSM

#11
Zinjanthropos Offline
Quote: Which is both sad and tragic imo.

As long as we’re talking opinions then why did I use the word ‘safe’.

From what I gather you’re having or had a disagreement with hierarchy over at a rival site. Personally I don’t care nor do I wish to investigate. Now what you wrote in post #1 would be considered hate speech in some parts of the world. So now I have to decide whether or not your words are acceptable not only on the forum your dissatisfied with but also this country, my country, police, countless social media groups, religions, races, children, minorities, enemies, friends, students, and the list goes on. OTOH some people will defend your right to free speech no matter what consequences that might involve.

IMO you probably crossed the line with a few of those groups. The question is whether or not you felt it safe to post knowing there’s potential to harm at least one on that list and therefore incur the wrath of the site owner who has the power to ban. I don’t think you’re stupid and you’ve obviously made a judgement to take that risk with the feeling there will be no repercussions. It’s a gamble, site owners have licences and rules too. So far it’s looking good, or a safe bet.

Personally I feel you’re upset but to me you’re just a disembodied keypuncher like the rest of us. You could be a computer for all I know or just some joker being phoney as hell. Whether you believe what you’re saying or not, I have no intention of arguing so these may be my final words on this thread. Others may feel differently so don’t freak out if they disagree with you, it’s only a byproduct of forum life. Argue sadly & tragically with them all you want.
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#12
Kornee Offline
OK well at least there is some cool-headed not hot-headed clarification there. Thanks for that at least. I disagree with the notion my opinions - which are quite genuine btw not 'shit stirring for shit stirring's sake', could be construed to 'harm' anyone.
Offend yes, that's to be expected given prevailing climate of indoctrination. The Official Narrative. But 'harm'? I don't think so.
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#13
RainbowUnicorn Offline
(Oct 1, 2022 09:22 AM)Kornee Wrote: Anyone who can't see that the current conflict in Ukraine is a key part of an all-out push by globalists for a world dictatorship is imo truly naive.

Putin is pushing for world dictatorship & is a "Globalist" ?
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#14
Kornee Offline
(Oct 2, 2022 01:21 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:
(Oct 1, 2022 09:22 AM)Kornee Wrote: Anyone who can't see that the current conflict in Ukraine is a key part of an all-out push by globalists for a world dictatorship is imo truly naive.

Putin is pushing for world dictatorship & is a "Globalist" ?
No. Actually watch all of that vid linked to in #9.
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#15
Syne Offline
What you call "quality articles" everyone else calls racist propaganda.

Back to shunning the village idiot.
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#16
C C Offline
(Oct 2, 2022 01:49 PM)Kornee Wrote:
(Oct 2, 2022 01:21 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:
(Oct 1, 2022 09:22 AM)Kornee Wrote: Anyone who can't see that the current conflict in Ukraine is a key part of an all-out push by globalists for a world dictatorship is imo truly naive.

Putin is pushing for world dictatorship & is a "Globalist" ?
No. Actually watch all of that vid linked to in #9.

Moreover as America becomes an increasingly multicultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat.


But they were doing that long before multiculturalism -- the WASPS and white Catholics of the old days were just as disinclined. The proxy wars during the Cold War had to be justified by fear of the communist bogeyman spreading everywhere like falling dominoes.

The American public was opposed to involvement in WWI, and Wilson was reelected in 1916 by promising to keep the US out of the war. It took propaganda about an alliance between Germany and Mexico and portraying the Germans as perpetrating brutal acts to build up the menace enough to tip the scale.

Similar public reluctance, initially, with WWII. But the sanctions and embargoes that the US placed on resource-strapped Japan invited an attack (preempting a need to resort to bloated threat sloganeering).

NYT Review: Endgame: "After some 50 years during which foreign affairs commanded the highest priority in Washington and on television and the front pages, the subject has virtually disappeared for most Americans.

This is true from top to bottom. President Clinton clearly pays as little attention to foreign affairs as he can get away with. Network television regards foreign news as a drag on ratings. And all the signs seem to suggest that the American people, having won the cold war, are quite happy to devote their attention to national and local problems. For many in the foreign policy establishment, this means the public cares less and less about what they have to say.

But they keep saying it anyway. And some are saying with increasing alarm: Wake up, America, before it is too late.

One of those most troubled by the sudden turn in American attitudes is Zbigniew Brzezinski...
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So Brzezinski seems to have written "The Grand Chessboard" due to the US's apathy about being world policeman and assuming the throne of "paramount power". Along with its lame expectation that the communist party in rising China would eventually collapse due to the latter's parasitical embracement of capitalism (and concomitant, creeping democracy). Which was an utterly failed prediction of '90s economic experts. As the Kenton character in "Devs" colorfully related to Jamie in this video excerpt, by referencing the earlier and much more prophetically telling incident of 1989: https://youtu.be/QqjA9iTd2i0

"I was in the CIA. I was based in Hong Kong, and we were working toward what we called the American century. The 20th century was all about war in Europe, communism in Russia and Asia. But the 21st century was gonna be all for the Stars and Stripes.  Things seemed to be going pretty well, the Soviet Union had collapsed Europe was nicely weak and stable, and on my beat a popular uprising had started on mainland China.  The focus point was Beijing. [...] What happened next the Chinese government sent in soldiers and tanks to Tiananmen Square, shot everybody they could, took the revolution by the neck, and crushed the __ing life out of it. Today China is the most powerful force on the planet, the most powerful force the world has ever known. And it turned out to be the Chinese century."


Little of Brzezinski's influence, IOW. The US instead remained a lackadaisical, boneheaded "world policeman" that only fed the applicable opportunistic corporations via its futile interventions, and getting nothing but increased national debt for itself in return. Along with continued mockery of its incapacity to finish a war in winning mode. Hardly a stealthy "mastermind" by any stretch of the imagination, that has been adeptly moving game pieces on some Grand Conspiracy Playfield. 

"Brzezinski became one of the foremost advocates of NATO expansion. He wrote in 1998 that "Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire." --After power


NATO somewhat mimics bureaucratic departments, from the standpoint that once one of those administrative agencies is created, it doesn't want to stop growing or die even if its original purpose becomes defunct. NATO -- via very its inherent, mindless bacteria programming -- was headed in the expansion direction regardless, before Brzezinski became highly vocal about it in the late '90s. And despite his advocacy, NATO still repeatedly evaded Ukraine becoming a member up until the current conflict made those former fears of Russian anger/response irrelevant.
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#17
Kornee Offline
(Oct 2, 2022 08:48 PM)C C Wrote: ...

"Brzezinski became one of the foremost advocates of NATO expansion. He wrote in 1998 that "Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire." --After power


NATO somewhat mimics bureaucratic departments, from the standpoint that once one of those administrative agencies is created, it doesn't want to stop growing or die even if its original purpose becomes defunct. NATO -- via very its inherent, mindless bacteria programming -- was headed in the expansion direction regardless, before Brzezinski became highly vocal about it in the late '90s. And despite his advocacy, NATO still repeatedly evaded Ukraine becoming a member up until the current conflict made those former fears of Russian anger/response irrelevant.
An 'interesting' conclusion, given the immediately preceding single line quote!
Some here with at least half a brain might like to actually think carefully about the 'fortuitous timing' between the installation of a 'Western' Ukrainian regime in 2014, and the soon after - the same year - tragic downing of Malaysian Airlines MH17. In rather odd, in fact highly suspicious circumstances:
https://truthout.org/articles/the-myster...r-ukraine/
So much convenient political capital - but who really was the culprit. MSM programmed minds 'know without a doubt' it was Russia's responsibility. Programmed minds.
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#18
Yazata Offline
(Oct 1, 2022 09:22 AM)Kornee Wrote: Most here, in fact probably everyone here bar me, are in full accord with the official 'Western' narrative condemning Russia's annexation of the 4 (formerly) Eastern Ukrainian provinces.

Before the invasion, I wrote that I believed that Russia had legitimate concerns regarding Ukraine's snuggling up to a military alliance (NATO) whose only reason for existing was hostility to Russia. I actually had some sympathy for Russia's position and hoped that some resolution could be found short of war.

But the invasion has fundamentally transformed the situation. Ukraine's brave and brilliant defense has won the admiration of everyone, including me. Far from just being more Russians separated from the motherland by a fluke of history, the Ukrainians' fierce nationalism has been demonstrated for the world to see. Whatever chance the Russians once had to reach a friendly accomodation with Ukraine has been squandered and the Ukrainians turned into enemies of Russia for generations to come.

(bunch of weird Jewish world conspiracy stuff snipped...)

Quote:Anyone who can't see that the current conflict in Ukraine is a key part of an all-out push by globalists for a world dictatorship is imo truly naive.

Maybe. But the whole globalist push is built around the post-WWII elimination of nation states, in favor of some utopian global system, right? (Free trade, global corporations, rule by an trans-national international business elite instead of by "ignorant" and "bigoted" little voters who need to be saved from themselves.)

Except that Ukraine (and much of eastern Europe like Poland and Hungary) are moving directly counter to that, towards greater nationalism and sense of their own unique self-identity that they are willing to fight to preserve. The Ukrainian nationalism that this war is stirring up isn't going to disappear quickly, as much as New York and Brussels might like it to.
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#19
Kornee Offline
(Oct 3, 2022 08:44 PM)Yazata Wrote: ...Maybe. But the whole globalist push is built around the post-WWII elimination of nation states, in favor of some utopian global system, right? (Free trade, global corporations, rule by an trans-national international business elite instead of by "ignorant" and "bigoted" little voters who need to be saved from themselves.)

Except that Ukraine (and much of eastern Europe like Poland and Hungary) are moving directly counter to that, towards greater nationalism and sense of their own unique self-identity that they are willing to fight to preserve. The Ukrainian nationalism that this war is stirring up isn't going to disappear quickly, as much as New York and Brussels might like it to.
Don't mistake what amounts to the tactical encouragement of nationalism on a short to medium term basis, for the sake in this case of crippling a large nation state i.e. Russia, with an unvarying long term overarching strategic goal of elimination of all nation states. One quick pick out of many:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/globa...overnment/
OK that one was a bit on the weak side.More direct aims displayed on a longer term historical basis:
https://www.christophernunn.net/post/dav...up-meeting
Even further back - and very blunt about it:
https://tobefree.press/2016/04/14/jewish...-conquest/
And no I'm not apologetic about the J word used - it's entirely appropriate. Many believe the Rockefeller clan were/are gentiles. Wrong.
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