Genocide double standard

[Syne]

This guest on MSNBC succinctly compares the US deaths from Pearl Harbor and 9/11 to the retaliation death toll, while never once being accused of genocide, and Israel is being far more restrained and humane.

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/sHwrT_Rxdm0

Like he says, Israel is only "allowed" to fight back to a truce (stalemate), never to win a war.


Worldwide antisemitism double standard.

[Zinjanthropos]

Accusing Israel of retaliatory genocide is a psychological ploy, basically telling the US to not get involved too heavily lest they also be accused. It’s a label the States don’t want when in fact true war requires one side to exterminate the other. I think there’s a Himmler quote to that effect.

[C C]

There has been all manner of conflicts and Genocide Watch type activity over the last two or three decades that could likewise warrant global protests (Persecution of the Uyghurs). But the one that has revived campus and street outrage to the level of 1960s activism concerns a Jewish state.

Due to that imbalance in attention and demonstrations, there accordingly is no concealing this myopic obsession with what the "Jews are up to" in that category. No amount of trendy, scholarly techno-babble cranked out by the intelligentsia machine can obfuscate what is obviously an age-old fixation trying to camouflage itself under the latest and arguably the greatest opportunity it has had since WWII.

Where the Left[1] and the far-Right can always overlap and find mutual agreement is in their common fetish and monomania revolving around Jews.

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[1] See: Political orientations of the Jewish population
https://www.scivillage.com/thread-15815-...l#pid63684

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California's lackadaisical attitude about outlaw activity is well known (shoplifters doing their work unobstructed by police, thieves brazenly breaking windows of vehicles at airports and stealing luggage, etc). That indifference -- but not necessarily with respect to the other ilk -- has apparently migrated to campus facilities...

INTRO: A Jewish student at @UCLA was prevented from accessing the library and attending class by a Pro-Hamas mob. When his parent called UCPD, she was told UCLA administration had prohibited campus police from helping Jewish students who were being harassed.

You can hear the actual audio of her phone call here on X:

https://twitter.com/persianjewess/status...5988811033

PARENT: 'Why is this even being tolerated?"

REPLY: "Unfortunately, they [the activists] have kind of taken over that area." [UNSPOKEN SUBTEXT: And administration feels that this is really cool, to allow the protestors to have their own autonomous zones, so they can bar Jewish students who are thousands of miles away from and have nothing to do with what's transpiring in Gaza.]

https://youtu.be/lbyPUgOe_uA

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/lbyPUgOe_uA

[Kornee]

I'm taking the liberty of assuming CC is secretly hoping someone else here will offer a much needed counter to the 'Jewish students are extremely fearful for their safety on campus' narrative.
Pushed hard by (owned and controlled by a particular ethnic entity) MSM.
Poor living constantly in fear of something bad actually happening pussies. Not like those Palestinian 'scum' having it so easy in Gaza.
Fear not CC - here is one such counter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDPH2WnPdsQ
Ahh - but 'we all know' that's just a 'typical leftist' spiel site's 'antisemitic' biased leftist pov, right? Wrong. It's simply an accurate appraisal of the facts.
More correctives to the majority pro Zionist-ethnic-cleansing-of-Palestinian-scumbags prejudice here at SV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mxfnya3ZRc (worthy follow-up to https://www.scivillage.com/thread-14789-...l#pid63543)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QA7y1ywr8M At least some Israeli ex-IDF have a real conscience. All too rare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eIFPeUD6HY SYSTEMATIC lying by officially approved Israel State reps skillfully exposed. But systematically ignored - here at SV too.
Etc. etc. etc......

And, for anyone seriously wanting to understand the roots of the systematic, no blush lying by the Zionist Supremacist State and it's US/EU enablers like Biden/Blinken:
https://ia801601.us.archive.org/1/items/...dYears.pdf
That is the 2008 'version' - differing only from the 1993 original via extra, well worth reading Forwards - as a photocopy reproduction i.e not using vector fonts.
I won't highlight choice passages - it needs to be read in toto in order to gain a proper perspective.
It's eerily prescient in accurately predicting the current carnage unfolding in the so-called 'holy Land'.
Some will take the lazy route and immediately do a search for critics of Shahak.
Yes such hacks are there. As always - true for anyone with any pov. Serious folks will study his work before bothering to consult paid for hacks. IMO.

[Syne]

Of course, the anti-Semite would slink back out from under his well-deserved resting place of the moldy underside of a rock.

He's "secretly hoping" that CC is antisemitic too. This is what happens when you aren't forceful enough with these people to unmistakably place you opposite of them. They're delusional enough to think you can be swayed to their evil camp. They're so desperate for other anti-Semites to associate with (apparently the other blatant ones aren't enough) that they're constantly on the hunt for new recruits.

So we get another rehash of the usual antisemitic propaganda. Of course, he claims it has to be "read in toto." It's propaganda, which is why he won't make any arguments himself. He just keeps making bullshit bare assertions in the hopes of driving people to said propaganda.

70% of Palestinians approved of what Hamas did Oct 7th. But these hateful apologists will deny Oct 7th like they do the Holocaust... even while the Gazans they champion fully admit the details of Oct 7th. This anti-Semite is as much a useful idiot for these terrorists as the college kids who don't even know Oct 7th happened or wave LGBT flags as if there's some solidarity...even though most Gazans would just murder any LGBT outright.

This anti-Semite is so special that he believes in conspiracies that connect MSNBC and Fox News, as well as Biden and Trump. They're all in cahoots. That's some powerful self-delusion.


This guy either didn't listen to the simple facts about compared death tolls proving it's not in any way genocidal, or as usual, will just keep trumpeting the same tired bullshit regardless of anything because he simple refuses to engage in any substantive argument whatsoever. Just lazy self-delusion.

[Kornee]

My taunt to CC was clearly enough a rhetorical device - nothing more.
Just between 2008 and late 2023, the vastly lopsided death & injury stats (currently far more lopsided again):
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/12/israel-h...years.html

Some insist on completely ignoring historical context. Reflecting ingrained prejudices cultivated by mandatory education curricula/Hollywood/MSM lopsided narratives.
What befell Israelis on Oct 7 2023 was the shortest, sharpest flee bite in comparison to the ~ 76 years of continual trauma inflicted on the natives of Palestine:
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2017/...nd-in-1948
I don't ignore historical context. Most here do. That makes it easier to be in lockstep with the official, always pro Israel/Zionism line.
The real reason why Biden and indeed any POTUS/US Congress is powerless to oppose the Israel Lobby in anything but limp-wristed tut tuts is explained by Cyrus here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ACdtT6EKFQ

[Syne]

This dunce continues to ignore the difference between specifically targeting civilians and civilians intentionally being used as human shields (an international war crime) by terrorist combatants. And continues to ignore that stats of wartime self-defense retaliations that never incurred the accusation of "genocide" until Israel had the gall to defend itself... accumulating a much lower civilian casualty percent, which belies the dishonest bare assertions of "ethnic-cleansing." Every self-defense retaliation in history has been "lopsided." That's the only way you ensure the initial aggressor cannot do so again. That's how you treat violent barbarians, who live in cultures so permeated with violence that they don't understand anything less.

Palestine has repeatedly refused every two-state deal offered to them. It's just intellectually dishonest to assume that their woes are anything but self-inflicted and direct results of their own aggression and terrorist attacks. But useful idiots will continue to push their paranoid antisemitic conspiracy theories, that magically make allies out of opposing sides of the biggest political division in modern US history. This is how far they have to go to validate their bare hatred.

And as usual, they can't make a single argument of their own. Just rambling bare assertions and demands that you view their propaganda. That just illustrates the complete lack of any intellectual ability of their own. Just useful idiots parroting hateful propaganda. But no, it's you, the ones defending the ONLY democracy in the entire Middle East (where Muslims live and serve in government where the opposite would never be allowed), that is somehow, mystically the uninformed and dupped. 9_9

[Kornee]

Sigh. OK let's dispense with this 'Hamas callously used their own people as human shields' utter BS. Sure they at times urged civilians not to flee areas IDF designated as kill zones.
That's because they knew Netanyahu's crazed Likud regime would not then permit re-population by Palestinian Gazans once the generously oversupplied US weapons has dome their infrastructure and hapless civilians destruction job. Yes - systematic ethnic cleansing - as urged for many years by particularly the politically powerful Chabad Lubavitch crazies.

https://jacobin.com/2023/11/human-shield...y-bankrupt
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/bustin...gaza-46645
https://decolonizepalestine.com/myth/pal...n-shields/

Etc. etc. etc. And for those who can't be bothered to read quality rebuttals to the 'human shields' BS and simply brazenly assert otherwise - go to hell.
As found out by independent journalists - it's Israel's IDF that has a track record of using Palestinian civilians as human shields. And as bad or worse - intentional sniper maiming youths and children for the vindictive sport of it.
Again - those who genuinely want a real deep and comprehensive historical perspective - read that excellent work of Israel Shahak.

[Syne]

Yeah, yeah, the usual making excuses for pure evil. They not only urged civilians to stay in areas the IDF gave ample warning were about to be struck (thus intentionally getting their own civilians killed in an attempt to hide from retaliation for their own evils), they actually built schools and hospitals over their terrorist tunnels (not vice versa). Literally and proactively erecting civilian human shields, rather than just exploiting existing ones.

And you're even more of an evil useful idiot to believe that human shields (again, an international war crime) would somehow, magically, stop any attack from causing an exodus of refugees. If you're argument is that Hamas suffers from magical thinking, that's even worse then no excuse for their barbarism. You're saying they didn't do it out of callousness, but as an intentional ploy that any rational person would know was doomed to failure. But we all know that's not true. They did it because they are cowards and they knew any civilian deaths would prompt useful idiots like you to defend terrorism.

Again, all the stats of previous war belie your nonsense about "ethnic cleansing." Israel has been more restrained than any other country retaliating for such an attack. So if you had an ounce of intellectual honesty, you'd have to condemn the US for "ethnic cleansing" for retaliating for Pearl Harbor or 9/11 even more so than Israel.

You've already repeatedly proven that all you post is hateful propaganda. So you can just go sulk in the corner about no one reading/watching it. That's what happens when you destroy your own credibility. You've been given every possible opportunity to make arguments for your own bare assertions yourself, but you're likewise far too cowardly to put your own ego on the line for this evil ideology you tout so much. That, or you're intellectually incapable of synthesizing your own opinions from those you parrot, so it would just be so much copypasta. IOW, it validates your hate, but you're far too lazy to put any work in yourself. You're as useless to your own cause as hashtag social justice warriors.

[Kornee]

When a former Israeli PM (and one deeply implicated in 9-11 foreknowledge!) undermines his own state's lying propaganda, it can be believed over that state lying propaganda:
https://truthout.org/articles/bunkers-un...l-pm-says/

And the compulsive and habitual lying by Israel regarding a non-existent tunnel complex under another now decimated Gazan hospital discredited:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/8...a-hospital

Just remember who started all the village massacres and mass expulsions back in 1948.
On the back of terrorist ops to drive out the Brits as mandated peace keepers in 1946 - King David Hotel murderous bombing and much more. Commemoratively *celebrated* in Israel:
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-moti...avid-hotel

They also started the car bomb tactic. Such a great initiative. Evil ruthless shits then. Evil ruthless shits now. Nothing if not consistent.
But SV's top pro dehumanizer of all non-Jews in The Promised Land aka Holy Land just rants on and on in favor of mass butchery of A-rabs because it's fun to do.