Russian Ukraine Invasion

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stryder Offline
(Sep 29, 2022 06:19 AM)Kornee Wrote:
(Sep 29, 2022 03:48 AM)Yazata Wrote: Russia is trying to convince Europe that the US blew up the Nordstream gas pipeline.

https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/15...2798576640
Given the huge list of known past US/Israel false flags, and the absurdity of proposing Russia would deliberately cripple it's meager chances of resuscitating Nord Stream II income stream, when a simple opening/closing of valves already handles the situation REVERSIBLY, I'll go with the analysis here:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/  (September 28, 2022 page)

I don't think it matters who did it to be honest. It's something that needed to be done and was likely not done sooner when Russia was still pumping gas through it. It is now taken off the table as something that can be used to sway opinion and generate divide.

Ideally the destruction of the pipeline isn't something that anyone should look at too closely, or if they do look into it they should take their time.
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Kornee Offline
(Sep 29, 2022 11:44 AM)stryder Wrote:
(Sep 29, 2022 06:19 AM)Kornee Wrote: Given the huge list of known past US/Israel false flags, and the absurdity of proposing Russia would deliberately cripple it's meager chances of resuscitating Nord Stream II income stream, when a simple opening/closing of valves already handles the situation REVERSIBLY, I'll go with the analysis here:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/  (September 28, 2022 page)

I don't think it matters who did it to be honest. It's something that needed to be done and was likely not done sooner when Russia was still pumping gas through it.  It is now taken off the table as something that can be used to sway opinion and generate divide. 

Ideally the destruction of the pipeline isn't something that anyone should look at too closely, or if they do look into it they should take their time.
An interesting way to put it. The ante has been upped and it's Europe not the US that is set(up) to be a big loser. Unless it does escalate out of hand and it goes from tactical nukes to the strategic kind. Ultimate blowback scenario.
Some high up folks think playing with fire is worth it.
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Yazata Offline
Putin has signed decrees recognizing Ukraine's Kherson (Russian occupied) and Zaporizhzhia (partially Russian occupied) oblasts as independent states, much as the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics have supposedly been independent since 2014. Obviously the only country that recognizes their "independence" is Russia.

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/29-septemb...ng-kherson
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(Sep 29, 2022 11:45 PM)Yazata Wrote: Putin has signed decrees recognizing Ukraine's Kherson (Russian occupied) and Zaporizhzhia (partially Russian occupied) oblasts as independent states, much as the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics have supposedly been independent since 2014. Obviously the only country that recognizes their "independence" is Russia.

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/29-septemb...ng-kherson

now he can (russian conscript law)legally send his fresh meat conscripts into the blood bath without them being able to object using russian law.

some reports say they are not getting training

i think putin has lost his mind



UPDATE

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/QFW0vrvqoIM
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Yazata Offline
The iSW is reporting that usually-reliable Russian sources are saying that Lyman has been surrounded by the Ukrainians. I don't know whether this means full encirclement, or just that the main road and rail connections have been cut. The iSW and the many Osint folks are trying to verify it as I write this.
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Yazata Offline
Meanwhile they are preparing for a big event tomorrow in Red Square in Moscow following Putin's speech to Parliament Friday. The sign says "Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia, Kherson RUSSIA!"

It's probably significant that Russia doesn't control all of Donetsk or Zaporizhia oblasts. So Russia can be expected to continue fighting to get full control.

There is lots of speculation on the internet that Russia will announce that any attempt to attack these newly annexed territories would be an attack on Russia and will draw a nuclear response. But it's almost certain that the Ukrainians will continue fighting to liberate what they consider occupied territory. So would the Russians nuke Kyiv, blow up a nuke in an isolated area as a demonstration that they are serious, would it just be blustering or what?

If a nuclear weapon was detonated, then what would the US and its allies do? There have already been warnings that if Russia nukes the Ukrainians, that NATO would respond with overwhelming conventional force. But not nuclear weapons, unless a NATO country is nuked. And presumably an overwhelming conventional attack only on the Russian forces in Ukraine, not on Russia proper.

Any kind of NATO attack would be exceedingly risky in my opinion. We can be sure that NATO is preparing what-if contingency plans, though.

Whatever happens, as Putin's regime looks more and more shaky and he gets more and more desperate, we are slipping closer and closer to nuclear war.


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