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Russian Ukraine Invasion

Kornee Offline
Speaking of stealing:
https://stephenlendman.org/2019/07/30/us...yrian-oil/
A case of one finger pointing out, three pointing back? Yeah think so.
Have to wonder about all the behind-the-scenes shenanigans that got Erdogan regime to finally side with NATO enlargement.
Unlikely out of any passionate love for beleaguered Ukrainians.
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stryder Offline
Grain could be tested for it's genome to identify the region it was from (even the chemicals it was exposed to) Even if they mixed grain up to try to get through, batch sampling could still prove that the source wasn't purely Russian in origin. It's really dependent on how much evidence the world actually needs of Russia's wrong doing.

Further to this is if any grain had been GM, it would mean it's patented to some extent and likely not part of the Russian market.
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RainbowUnicorn Offline
Belarus President asking(on camera) the Russian Foreign minister for nuclear weapons

?

is he
is he really asking for nuclear weapons ?
is he mad as a march hair ?
(i use to like sergie the foreign minister but he has not remained independent enough from the machinations of Putin and he has lost his ability to give a sound reasonable voice to russian impartiality which is desperately needed, at once stage a few years back i use to follow him on twitter but now given the over all stance of riussia i would not follow any russians on twitter or any other social media because it seems like it would be inviting trouble)

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/VzRcfOnMYw8

what would be the effect of arming Belarus with nuclear missiles ?
it would force a need to change targeting and NATO strategy up to the highest level.

it would force a harder border between Belarus and Poland

maybe he thinks it would be good to scare poland
i dont think that would work in favour of Belarus.

what would be a well measured response if Belarus arms its self with russian medium range nuclear weapons ?

i think the B-52 and other high altitude nuclear bombers would need to re-orientate to move Belarus into a first reply attack category where routine targeting would need to be created.

what type of security would Belarus need to ensure the nuclear missiles were safe ?
the cost would be high & i guess they expect russia would pay for it.

Maybe it is about time poland NATO double checked its missile defense system over the Polish border
does that mean Poland needs 1st strike ability ? possibly (the question is worth asking)

low altitude nuclear cruise missiles ?
terrain hugging . . . 
there is no defense against it

at the very least HMARs systems put into production to allow 300km range strike capability on instant choice for Poland so they can hit Belarus command & control networks if they are attacked or invaded(i doubt Belarus would invade but they may try and sneak across and sabotage something)
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Yazata Offline
The Ukrainian army reports heavy fighting in Lysychansk, but says that Ukrainian soldiers remaining there are not surrounded. Russian social media is showing photos of Russian soldiers in the center of town where they seem to be standing casually and posing for pictures and arent dodging bullets. Information is hard to get but my impression is that the Ukrainians have retreated from the city as everyone expected, or are in the process of doing so, but want to make it sound like they didn't surrender the city without a fight.

In the photo below, note the Chechen flag. These appear to be Chechen mercenaries, not regular Russian army.


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Regarding Belarus, the Ukrainians say they are setting up defenses in western Ukraine to counter the possibility of a Belarussian invasion to assist the Russians. The Belarussians are claiming that Ukrainian missiles were fired to strike Belarus military bases but all were intercepted. It isn't clear if this really happened, since it's hard to imagine Ukraine trying to provoke Belarus into the war. Ukraine has enough on its plate.

But that being said, talk is that Lukashenka (Belarus dictator) is feeling intense pressure from Putin to join the war, but Belarus would prefer to stay out of it. I suspect that is the context of Lukashenka's remarks about nuclear weapons in the video above. He perceives that the biggest reason NATO holds back on directly assisting Ukraine against Russia is fear of Russia's nuclear weapons. But Belarus doesn't have any nuclear weapons, which might make Belarus vulnerable to NATO if Belarus goes to war against Ukraine. He doesn't want American jets attacking his country. So if the Russians want him to enter the war, he wants Russia to give him nuclear weapons. That's my take (which might be wrong.)
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RainbowUnicorn Offline
(Jul 2, 2022 11:28 PM)Yazata Wrote: So if the Russians want him to enter the war, he wants Russia to give him nuclear weapons. That's my take (which might be wrong.)

i see what you mean
i agree
that seems logical
Belarus claiming they have Russian Pantsir S1
which they claim shot down Ukrainian missiles in Belarus
i doubt it
i think the Belarusian president is crazy(which adds another level to what threat Belarus poses)
Quote:Belarus missile claim
Later on Saturday Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko said his country's air defences had shot down Ukrainian missiles, though he did not specify where. He is a close ally of Russia's Vladimir Putin and allowed Russian troops to invade Ukraine from Belarus in February.
"They are provoking us... Three days ago, maybe a bit more, an attempt to strike military facilities on Belarusian territory was made from the territory of Ukraine," he said. "But, thank God, the Pantsir anti-aircraft systems managed to intercept all the missiles."

He added that "we are not seeking to fight in Ukraine".


(Jul 2, 2022 09:55 AM)stryder Wrote: Grain could be tested for it's genome to identify the region it was from (even the chemicals it was exposed to)  Even if they mixed grain up to try to get through, batch sampling could still prove that the source wasn't purely Russian in origin.  It's really dependent on how much evidence the world actually needs of Russia's wrong doing.

Further to this is if any grain had been GM, it would mean it's patented to some extent and likely not part of the Russian market.

i doubt Turkey wants it tested
they are profiting from it
does grain burn if you set a pile on fire ?
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confused2 Offline
Does anyone have any thoughts about the Ukraine grain harvest? - I'm guessing it is due shortly. I'd also guess the Ukranian farmers will go through he motions of harvesting it and when the harvest is in the Russians will have the option of blockading it, stealing it or simply destroying it. Whichever way the cost of food will rise and Suvland will suck harvests out of poor countries to compensate.

There's a lot of hawks and orcs around right now - there's also a lot of people who don't care about the politics of their own or any other 'leader' as long as they can feed themselves and their children. Time will inevitably defeat Putin.. there's the option of trying to defeat him before time does or trying to lay down the foundations of a better future while he lives.
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RainbowUnicorn Offline
(Jul 3, 2022 01:09 AM)confused2 Wrote: Does anyone have any thoughts about the Ukraine grain harvest? - I'm guessing it is due shortly. I'd also guess the Ukranian farmers will go through he motions of harvesting it and when the harvest is in the Russians will have the option of blockading it, stealing it or simply destroying it. Whichever way the cost of food will rise and Suvland will suck harvests out of poor countries to compensate. 

There's a lot of hawks and orcs around right now - there's also a lot of people who don't care about the politics of their own or any other 'leader' as long as they can feed themselves and their children. Time will inevitably defeat Putin.. there's the option of trying to defeat him before time does or trying to lay down the foundations of a better future while he lives.

i dont have any up to date info
what i do recall is that grain silos had not been routinely emptied via export and had maybe a 20% additional capacity before they were full

effectively the majority of grain farmers will have no transport assuming their tractors have not been destroyed by the Orcs.
They have already passed the start of when harvesting should be started and when planting should have been started
its kinda half way through the main period of harvesting including maybe 25% should be already in transit

once russia have stolen the grain from silos the farmers will have somewhere to load their grain
but farms are already quite full to capacity so im guessing they may plow it back into the ground in some places.

i dont know if they can plow it back into the ground like vegetables
maybe they will just tip it somewhere
but they wont have money or fuel to plant the next crop.

im searching for info after typing this

Quote:Published = Issued on: 02/07/2022 - 14:16

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20...he-balance

"The harvest is due normally to begin around July 15 but diesel is expensive and anyway there isn't any," he says.

"We can wait until August 10 at the latest, but after that, the grains are going to dry out and fall to the ground," he says.
Quote:Published 10:06, Jun 28 2022

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/3...-its-grain

Some farmers would rather hoard grain in the hope that ports will eventually reopen than see expensive transit to Poland or Romania eat into their margins. The government reckons Ukraine will lack 10-15m tonnes’ worth of suitable storage this year. The Grain Association thinks the gap could be as high as 25m tonnes.

Crops that are not stored could rot or be stolen. To avoid that, farmers are scrambling to secure silo bags – long polyurethane sleeves that can hold around 200t of grain each. Vysotsky estimates that around 50,000 would be needed to take all the excess.
Quote:Published 23.06.2022

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukraine-...in/2620710

To make matters worse, reports suggest that a fifth of Ukraine's grain elevators have been damaged or fell under the control of Russian forces. Ukraine's Agriculture Minister Mykola Solskyi, said this could leave farmers short of 10 to 15 million tons of storage space.
Before the war, Ukraine's Black Sea ports of Odessa, Pivdennyi, Mykolayiv, and Chornomorsk served as terminals for around 5 million metric tons of grain per month, representing about 80% of its total grain exports.
The country usually accounts for 12% of global wheat exports. Now, with 84 foreign ships stuck in Ukrainian ports -- many with grain cargo onboard -- due to a Russian naval blockade, that figure is closer to 3%.
Wheat prices, which were already 49% above their 2017-21 average in mid-February, have risen by another 30% since the war in Ukraine began.
Many fear that this marked hike could spark starvation, political unrest, and migration in Africa and the Middle East.
About 400 million people worldwide rely on Ukrainian food supplies, according to Anna Nagurney, from the University of Massachusetts Amherst.

Russian forces have allegedly targeted grain silos and agricultural infrastructure in Ukraine, and are accused by US and Ukrainian officials of stealing grain from the country and trying to sell it on to Syria after Lebanon and Egypt refused similar offers.
dirty Orcs
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