Russian Ukraine Invasion

[confused2]

Edit.. Not this one .. another clip possibly removed as scource unverified.
From day 1 (or 2). I'm fairly sure when the clip was first shown someone said "That's a TOS-1"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-60521068

[C C]

Anybody know what the weapon is that ignites fuel vapour thats laid down prior to setting it off? I think it's a weapon that violates the Geneva Convention therefore it would be a war crime every time it's used. Thinking the Russians are about to step it up since whatever they're doing now is either not working or too slow.

This?
The TOS-1 was first used during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, The Guardian said, and was also deployed in Chechnya and the Syrian civil war.

It can launch two types of warheads — incendiary and fuel-air explosives. The latter, also called vacuum or thermobaric rockets, work by using oxygen from the surrounding air to generate a high-temperature explosion.

Yes CC, it was the latter I was thinking about. Thanks. Got a bad feeling Russia is going to use a few shortly.

Eh, C2, you probably meant. Easy error due to the acronymic similarity. (And no overhead "whooshes" to worry about here. This particular post is free of sarcasm, calculated remarks to test behavioral reactions, and stealth related mind-games in general.)

[Zinjanthropos]

Note: apologies C2, have edited.

Is best course of action to wait until Putin dies of old age? Assassinated? Military mutinies? Russians revolt? Turfed?

If Ukrainians had surrendered without a shot, how much different would it be? Sanctions would still be in place, fewer people would have died and no destruction. Could diplomacy have taken over?

I’m half Ukrainian but I’m so far removed from that culture that I might as well be on the moon. Heroic stands make good war stories and rally troops/citizens but perhaps discretion instead of valour could have avoided this. Brink of nuclear war for this? Seems so stupid and unnecessary and a return to a dark age. Crazy!

[C C]

Is best course of action to wait until Putin dies of old age? Assassinated? Military mutinies? Russians revolt? Turfed? 

He's surely grooming a successor.

If Ukrainians had surrendered without a shot, how much different would it be? Sanctions would still be in place, fewer people would have died and no destruction. Could diplomacy have taken over?

Tensions would likely be less, though much global scolding still directed at Putin.

I’m half Ukrainian but I’m so far removed from that culture that I might as well be on the moon. Heroic stands make good war stories and rally troops/citizens but perhaps discretion instead of valour would have avoided this before it started. Brink of nuclear war for this? Seems so stupid and unnecessary and a return to a dark age. Crazy!

I'm (arguably) estranged from both my East European ancestry and my indigenous ancestry. (Though our parents ensured both my brother and I received our largely idle CDIB cards and tribal membership with respect to the latter back when we were compliant zombies). Can only self-parody with the dominant family tree, though -- just wouldn't feel right with the one-eighth Native bloodline.

Yah, the brink of WWIII is what makes one wonder... But he's mourned over the loss of the Ukraine and craved the reacquisition of it for so long that he apparently feels urged to get it done now before he goes belly-up.

[Zinjanthropos]

He's surely grooming a successor.

Yah, the brink of WWIII is what makes one wonder... But he's mourned over the loss of the Ukraine and craved the reacquisition of it for so long that he apparently feels urged to get it done now before he goes belly-up.

We’ll it’s not Zelensky! Good thought though.

Poots not worried about his popularity either side of the line of scrimmage it seems. (Division line/centre stripe for you Brits)

[Yazata]

Huge explosion last night at Chuhuiv outside Kharkiv. Apparently it was an airfield or the base of a Ukrainian mechanized brigade. Possibly was a large thermobaric bomb.

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/stat...8280303617

Getting shot at by a Russian tank in Borodyanka, near the Antonov airport northwest of Kyiv

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/hVgp4yrUIJw

[stryder]

Yah, the brink of WWIII is what makes one wonder... But he's mourned over the loss of the Ukraine and craved the reacquisition of it for so long that he apparently feels urged to get it done now before he goes belly-up.

A post from one of those crypto related locations online.  Seems there is concern about Russia having pulled other strings in advance of the Ukraine:

I have a suspicion that the invasion of Ukraine is actually Donald Trumps fault.  Theres a number of things that point to it.

During the last election Trump was spouting conspiracies about Hunter Biden in the Ukraine.  He might of had US intelligence reports or just conspiracies since it doesn't matter in his circles.  It is possible any "evidence" that he wanted to share with his new bestie Putin came from those papers he didn't submit to the US National Archive. 

I wouldn't be surprised if it was in retaliation for Biden having the various probes and the Keystone XL Pipeline shut down.  Funnily enough when the pipeline didn't get the go ahead, there was the Darkside ransomware attack of Colonial Oil. 

There could of easily been Russian slush funds tied up with the Keystone XL Pipeline and possibly an FSB plant in the Darkside movement steered them to do the hack. 

The Nord Stream 2 while facing various sanctions even signed by Trump himself perhaps disgruntled he didn't have funds in it, likely lead to the ransomware attack on Oiltanking Deutschland GmbH & Co. KG stores, by supposedly Darkside Affliates (more likely FSB international).

They do on to say that the recent REvil bust in Russia was likely done to stop the US looking too far into them as they would find out that one of them was FSB and steering their attacks. (Can never tell)

[confused2]

Right now the buck stops with Putin - the rest can be discussed in the court of law and public opinion when/if the killing is over. There's people that can either surrender of die (or both). Would Putin follow shock and awe by blitzing every major city? I think he would. I don't think his position or personalty will allow him to go for "Oops, sorry, let's just pretend that didn't happen." - gone too far already. Will the Ukranianes give up while there is anything worth fighting for (or even after)? Looks like not. The dogs of war are loose.

The dogs of war is a phrase spoken by Mark Antony in Act 3, Scene 1, line 273 of English playwright William Shakespeare's Julius Caesar: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war."

[Zinjanthropos]

First thing I read today was a headline stating a 60km Russian convoy that could be seen from space via satellite was heading toward the war zone. I wondered why any commander would put 60 km of military vehicles on what seemed like one long road, only because all you need to do to hold it up would be to knock out some lead vehicles or tanks. Allies tried a road like that in Operation Market Garden during WWII and were delayed several times by German anti tank guns and artillery. Granted, I found another story saying Ruskies have air superiority so maybe they feel confident but with those Javelin missiles flying around who can feel safe? . Then the thought occurred to me….is the video of this line of vehicles really in the Ukraine? What of anything I am viewing is actually happening or happened as reported? Is televised war the epitome of fake news?

[confused2]

Is televised war the epitome of fake news?

I tend to rely on Yazata to sort out the fact from the fiction. As a newshound he seems able to sniff out the newsworthy and if there is nothing he has no deadlines to meet so doesn't post. If/when Yazata posts 60km convoy I'll take it in as fact.