Russian Ukraine Invasion

[stryder]

Ah, more of your "Trump is Putin's puppet" fantasies. Apparently you bought into the whole Russia hoax, that has been completely debunked as a Democrat propaganda, soup to nuts.

9_9

Again nothing to do with it.

Simply a concern of intelligence being shared with Putin likely starting this debacle in the first place (In regards to Trump being after Hunter Biden in Ukraine originally) and the small point that when the Ukrainians didn't tell the US what they were going to do, they took a segment of Russia under their control for a duration (only letting it go likely because of Trump leveraging it).

As for whether Trumps Putin's puppet, he doesn't need to be considering he likely lets slip a lot without any pressure. So I would go with "Useful Idiot" rather with Puppet.

[Yazata]

Yazata's post
https://www.scivillage.com/thread-11744-...l#pid80034

Looking at the pic of the tower block .. I'm no good at it but the closest I can get to an image search suggests..

"Retrieving full-size images -- media. fields=url points to resized version? * taper October 11, 2021, 7:54pm "

The Moscow Times doesn't seem to have heard of a blackout in Moscow

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/12/3...say-a91592

Edit .. Many UK papers are reporting a blackout in Mosow .. but not the BBC .. I have more faith in Yazata than the BBC so I'm going with it being true.

Today, the story of a massive drone attack on Moscow leading to widespread electricity blackouts seems to have pretty much dropped off the news. Lots of people are talking about it, but they seem to mostly be Ukrainians and their many sympathizers chortling about it. Next to nothing about how Moscow is coping, when power is expected to be restored etc. Just...silence...

So frankly, I'm not 100% sure what happened. The drone attack might have happened, or it might be a huge bit of disinformation. (If so, by whom? Why?)

[Syne]

Simply a concern of intelligence being shared with Putin likely starting this debacle in the first place (In regards to Trump being after Hunter Biden in Ukraine originally) and the small point that when the Ukrainians didn't tell the US what they were going to do, they took a segment of Russia under their control for a duration (only letting it go likely because of Trump leveraging it).

Conspiratorial and unsubstantiated TDS twaddle.

[stryder]

Simply a concern of intelligence being shared with Putin likely starting this debacle in the first place (In regards to Trump being after Hunter Biden in Ukraine originally) and the small point that when the Ukrainians didn't tell the US what they were going to do, they took a segment of Russia under their control for a duration (only letting it go likely because of Trump leveraging it).

Conspiratorial and unsubstantiated TDS twaddle.

You do you, Syne.

[Syne]

Remember, Ukraine was invaded under Biden. And what intelligence could the US have that would have prompted such an invasion? Any idea, or just making up total BS?

[stryder]

Remember, Ukraine was invaded under Biden. And what intelligence could the US have that would have prompted such an invasion? Any idea, or just making up total BS?

As I've mentioned before Trump was chasing Hunter Biden. He phoned Ukraine and it became public knowledge that he asked Ukraine to give him information/dirt on Hunter Biden. Ukraine responded saying literally "No". At which point there is a high likelihood that Trump contacted Putin since in Trumps mind all those countries to the East of Europe were once the soviet block, so he likely thought Putin could get what he wanted.

Thats when you end up with a Laptop from nowhere and then the further infiltration of Ukraines networks. (As shared information likely undermined Ukraines security let alone sovereignty)

It's likely Putin wouldn't of liked what he heard or saw from the espionage on Ukraine, but then again it shouldn't of been anything to do with him or Russia.

Eventually Putin turned what Trump asked for into invading Ukraine, however he waited until Biden was in office so as to not offend Trump. (After all he'd want an ally on the side that would otherwise kick up a stink) which brings further question into Russian support for Trump.

In a nut shell Trump caused the war and he's been resistant to deal with that fact ever since.

[C C]

[...] Today, the story of a massive drone attack on Moscow leading to widespread electricity blackouts seems to have pretty much dropped off the news. Lots of people are talking about it, but they seem to mostly be Ukrainians and their many sympathizers chortling about it. Next to nothing about how Moscow is coping, when power is expected to be restored etc. Just...silence...

So frankly, I'm not 100% sure what happened. The drone attack might have happened, or it might be a huge bit of disinformation. (If so, by whom? Why?)

Heh. One of the search engine AIs claims it's true, but the thing is just gleaning that from the same sources. Moscow supposedly had a blackout circa a month ago from antiquated grid failure, so who knows... Maybe it happened again via the same faulty system, and the West is just inferring it was due to a Ukrainian attack.

One asserting that it was technical failure, followed by general hardship, especially for the repair crews: https://x.com/LXSummer1/status/2006703184790585605

[Syne]

Remember, Ukraine was invaded under Biden. And what intelligence could the US have that would have prompted such an invasion? Any idea, or just making up total BS?

As I've mentioned before Trump was chasing Hunter Biden. He phoned Ukraine and it became public knowledge that he asked Ukraine to give him information/dirt on Hunter Biden.  Ukraine responded saying literally "No".  At which point there is a high likelihood that Trump contacted Putin since in Trumps mind all those countries to the East of Europe were once the soviet block, so he likely thought Putin could get what he wanted. 

Thats when you end up with a Laptop from nowhere and then the further infiltration of Ukraines networks.  (As shared information likely undermined Ukraines security let alone sovereignty) 

So the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian plant? And Ukraine had been sitting on these pictures of Hunter with prostitutes and doing drugs? You're ridiculous.

It's likely Putin wouldn't of liked what he heard or saw from the espionage on Ukraine, but then again it shouldn't of been anything to do with him or Russia.

You're apparently ignorant of the years of hostilities, sometimes open, between Ukraine and Russia, with both taking turns being aggressors. That would have been sufficient reason for Russian espionage, starting in 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea under Obama... you know, before Trump had even announced he'd run for office.

Eventually Putin turned what Trump asked for into invading Ukraine, however he waited until Biden was in office so as to not offend Trump. (After all he'd want an ally on the side that would otherwise kick up a stink)  which brings further question into Russian support for Trump.

In a nut shell Trump caused the war and he's been resistant to deal with that fact ever since.

You're so full of nonsense conspiratorial and unsubstantiated shit.
TDS on steroids.

[stryder]

You're so full of nonsense conspiratorial and unsubstantiated shit.

If your American is it not your right to query records of whether there was a phone call to Putin straight after that Ukrainian phone call that involved Trump asking for Intelligence. Thats something you could substantiate should you actually care about facts. I can't do that of course being British so burden of proof would technically be on you.

[Syne]

You're so full of nonsense conspiratorial and unsubstantiated shit.

If your American is it not your right to query records of whether there was a phone call to Putin straight after that Ukrainian phone call that involved Trump asking for Intelligence.  Thats something you could substantiate should you actually care about facts.  I can't do that of course being British so burden of proof would technically be on you.

And that is called shifting the burden of proof for your own unhinged claims.
But at least you're admitting you have nothing.