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Russian Ukraine Invasion

#41
Kornee Offline
(Feb 24, 2022 01:55 PM)confused2 Wrote: Looks like Putin is intent on restoring the Russian empire.
If Ukraine had joined NATO there'd have been a major war when (not if) Putin invaded. So best to leave Ukraine where it is, sacrificial lamb style,  and watch from the sidelines. Will Ukraine be enough for him? My guess is not. He seems to fit the charismatic leader pattern where the Russian population will accept whatever he wants so.. buckle up.

It's a fair bet Putin and other Russian top brass have long been well informed of Zbigniew Brzezinski's openly published roadmap for globalist control - The Grand Chessboard:
https://www.amazon.com/Grand-Chessboard-...0465027261
Globalist control of Eurasia i.e. what was the USSR, is a central plank of that strategy. While Brzezinski couches it in terms of US hegemony, he makes it clear elsewhere that the US is, ultimately, simply another expendable piece on the chessboard. And is in turn slated for dissolution as a sovereign state, once it's services as engine of destruction has achieved the desired aims.

Anyway Putin knows the intended aim of relentless NATO expansion up to its borders. Recall the Cuban missile crisis - Kennedy could not tolerate Soviet nukes being installed in nearby Cuba.
How is that fundamentally different viz a viz Russian fears of a first strike presence of US nukes in Ukraine? Not at all.
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#42
Yazata Offline
Early reports suggest that a major Russian advance across the border into Kharkiv (Ukraine's second largest city) has successfully been repelled. Photos of lots of destroyed military vehicles.

The Russians are having more success on a couple of other fronts. They are pushing southwards out of Belarus west of the Chernobyl exclusion area towards Kyiv. There are reports that Belarussian troops are fighting alongside the Russians.

There are multiple reports of Russian paratroopers conducting a helicopter-borne assault into the Antonov airport (home of a very major aircraft manufacturing plant) just outside Kyiv. Fighting is occurring there. The Ukrainians 4th Rapid Response Brigade have the Russians surrounded at the airport and there are reports of an armored column trying to punch through from the north join up and rescue them.

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/stat...4068700161

The Russians biggest success might be in the south. They have pushed out of Crimea almost unopposed and headed northwest to the Dneper river outside the city of Kherson. The Ukranians are putting up a not very effective defense at the river but the Russians have taken the main bridge and are crossing the river under fire as we speak. There were some very early reports of an amphibious attack at Odessa, but that seems to have been false since the Ukranians are still in control there and the city is quiet.

Surprisingly heavy air attacks on points in western Ukraine in the direction of Poland. The biggest ground thrust seems to be southwards out of Belarus to the east and west of Kyiv, with the evident intention of encircling and taking the Ukrainian capital.

Surprisingly little Russian activity in the far east of Ukraine near the Separatist areas. Most analysts had expected the main Russian thrust there from east to west. But Ukranian towns that had been expected to be the first targets of a Russian attack are reporting no Russians to be seen. (Edit Russians have entered Melitopol on the north shore of the Sea of Azov, except that they came from the west out of Crimea and not out of the nearby separatist areas.)

All in all it looks like the Russians are going very big and are driving to take the whole country and not just partition it. But they are taking casualties. There are photos of crashed Russian helicopters, don't know where the photos were taken. Ukranian fighter jets are still in the air.

The Kyiv subway has been turned into a bomb shelter and thousands of people are sheltering there. Other people trying to get out of Kyiv while they still can.


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#43
Magical Realist Offline
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/24/politics/...index.html

Washington (CNN)"President Joe Biden on Thursday unveiled harsh new sanctions on Russia meant to punish the country for its full-scale invasion of Ukraine, calling out Russian President Vladimir Putin for his aggression even as he acknowledged it would take time for the new measures to alter Putin's behavior.

"Putin is the aggressor. Putin chose this war. And now he and his country will bear the consequences," Biden said, laying out a set of measures that will "impose severe cost on the Russian economy, both immediately and over time."

The new sanctions include export blocks on technology, a centerpiece of Biden's approach that he said would severely limit Russia's ability to advance its military and aerospace sector. He also applied sanctions on Russian banks and "corrupt billionaires" and their families who are close to the Kremlin.

The targets were not limited to Russia. The US also went after individuals in Belarus, including the country's defense minister, for that country's role in facilitating the Russian attack.

And he announced a new deployment of ground and air forces to NATO's eastern flank, even as he reiterated US troops would not engage in direct conflict in Ukraine.

"Our forces are not and will not be engaged in the conflict," he said. "Our forces are not going to Europe to fight in Ukraine but defend our NATO allies and reassure those allies in the east."
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#44
Yazata Offline
Reports say that Russian forces from Crimea that crossed the Dnepr river at Kherson bypassed that city and advanced on to Mykolaiv where their armored vehicles entered the city without resistance. But there's another river that they have to cross there and speculation is that the Ukrainians are setting a defense at the river. Meanwhile reports say that Ukranians have retaken the bridge at Kherson behind the column, effectively boxing the Russian column in both ways .

And reports say that the Ukrainians have retaken the Antonov airport in Hostomel outside Kyiv from Russian airborne troops. The Russians wanted to sieze it in order to use its runways to fly in troops and supplies for the assault on the capital, so preventing that was a victory for the Ukrainians.

But while the Ukranians are winning these victories, the Russians are flooding into Ukraine like a tide. Some reports say that something like 2/3 of the total available Russian military are taking part in this operation.

Russian Hind attack helicopters near the airport


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And here's a story that is likely to go down in Ukrainian national lore. It's a tiny island in the Black Sea occupied by 13 Ukrainian border guards. The 13 fought off an attempt by Russians to land, refused to surrender and ended up fighting to the death.


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#45
Zinjanthropos Offline
Not sure if Ukraine capable of doing this but can they surprise Russia with a Jimmy Doolittle missile or air attack on Moscow?
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#46
Syne Offline
(Feb 24, 2022 08:40 AM)Kornee Wrote:
(Feb 24, 2022 03:18 AM)Syne Wrote: And that's how conspiracy theories insulate their promoters. Anything against the conspiracy is just written off as MSM, PC, brainwashing, etc..

You're obviously not worth my time. Ta ta, moron.
Obviously reduced to crude ad homs. And we had such a nice initial rapport on other topics. Just goes to show - it takes time to make sound character judgements.
I know that arguing against a bigoted anti-Semite is pointless (as they'll just continue to push their "literature" on you, as if they're proselytizing or recruiting), so I'm just skipping that and telling you you're a shitty person. The thing about intellectual honesty is that no amount of previous goodwill will sway my objective assessment of someone making excuses for evil. And you being a bigot, no amount of previous goodwill will sway you from your bigotry.

An impasse. Hence the farewell, dolt. It's always the human garbage that most whines about ad hominems, somehow the only people clueless as to why they provoke such responses.
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#47
Kornee Offline
(Feb 25, 2022 04:28 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Feb 24, 2022 08:40 AM)Kornee Wrote:
(Feb 24, 2022 03:18 AM)Syne Wrote: And that's how conspiracy theories insulate their promoters. Anything against the conspiracy is just written off as MSM, PC, brainwashing, etc..

You're obviously not worth my time. Ta ta, moron.
Obviously reduced to crude ad homs. And we had such a nice initial rapport on other topics. Just goes to show - it takes time to make sound character judgements.
I know that arguing against a bigoted anti-Semite is pointless (as they'll just continue to push their "literature" on you, as if they're proselytizing or recruiting), so I'm just skipping that and telling you you're a shitty person. The thing about intellectual honesty is that no amount of previous goodwill will sway my objective assessment of someone making excuses for evil. And you being a bigot, no amount of previous goodwill will sway you from your bigotry.

An impasse. Hence the farewell, dolt. It's always the human garbage that most whines about ad hominems, somehow the only people clueless as to why they provoke such responses.
The supreme irony in that piece of zero objective content bile. Unbridled, livid hatred of 'haters'. Ha ha ha.
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#48
Syne Offline
Thanks for proving my point.
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#49
Yazata Offline
It's morning in Ukraine and the Ukrainian government is reporting that Russian forces aren't far from the northern outkirts of Kyiv. Ukrainian military defenses still seem to be organized and reasonably effective, often fighting as well as the Russian forces. In some places, where the Russians attack where defenders aren't, the Russians advance rapidly. Other places they are pushed back repeatedly. In the case of the advance towards Kyiv along the west side of the Dnepr river, they seem to have come south out of Belarus through the Chernobyl radiological exclusion zone.

There are reports that Russian spetsnaz (special forces) dressed as Ukrainians are trying to infiltrate the capital. Many civilians are still trying to flee Kyiv and most are heading west towards the Polish border. There are said to be hundreds of thousands of them. Many European companies are pulling their staff out of Ukraine. By all accounts the Ukrainian government leadership is still in Kyiv, but in my opinion it might be getting time for them to move to Lviv near the Polish border.


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