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Australian PM proposes defamation laws forcing social platforms to unmask trolls

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Syne Offline
(Nov 29, 2021 05:40 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Nov 29, 2021 05:24 PM)Syne Wrote: I've never told lies about you. I have expressed my opinions. And nothing I've said about you or anyone else can be misconstrued as knowingly or negligently causing damage...aside from hurting your widdle feelings, which isn't covered by defamation.

You’re conflating free speech and opinion with accusing someone of being something that they’re not.

Well, you've accused me of being a troll, incel, mgtow, etc., without any evidence but guilt by association and genetic fallacies.
I've accused you of being a misandrist, with copious of evidence, like your own words.

Just recently you claimed that being "strong protectors" "can make [men] stupid," as if there was any causal link between the two.
Or that "more women are graduating from college" because "men...spend more time trying to produce offspring." Again, unrelated misandry.
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Secular Sanity Offline
(Nov 29, 2021 08:47 PM)Syne Wrote: Well, you've accused me of being a troll, incel, mgtow, etc., without any evidence but guilt by association and genetic fallacies.
I've accused you of being a misandrist, with copious of evidence, like your own words.

I never called you an incel. I said that you referred to us as parasites and used terms and images associated with the incel community. Thanks, but no thanks.

You, on the other hand, are not merely accusing me of being a misandrist in some abstract sense. You’re trying to prove it with concrete actions.

Syne Wrote:Just recently you claimed that being "strong protectors" "can make [men] stupid," as if there was any causal link between the two.

I said that anger can make you stupid, stupid.

syne Wrote:Or that "more women are graduating from college" because "men...spend more time trying to produce offspring." Again, unrelated misandry.

Would you agree that girls perform better in school than boys? Would you agree that there are behavioral and developmental differences between males and females? Would you agree that young men think about sex and seek sex more often than young women?
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Syne Offline
(Nov 29, 2021 11:28 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Nov 29, 2021 08:47 PM)Syne Wrote: Well, you've accused me of being a troll, incel, mgtow, etc., without any evidence but guilt by association and genetic fallacies.
I've accused you of being a misandrist, with copious of evidence, like your own words.

I never called you an incel. I said that you referred to us as parasites and used terms and images associated with the incel community.
You're lying again.
(Feb 8, 2019 01:46 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: why don’t we check in with your incel mentor
(Feb 7, 2019 06:34 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Wow! MR is right. Incel much?
(Feb 6, 2019 01:27 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: And yeah, it makes you sound like an incel.
(Feb 5, 2019 09:56 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Man-oh-man! You really are starting to sound like an incel.

Quote:You, on the other hand, are not merely accusing me of being a misandrist in some abstract sense. You’re trying to prove it with concrete actions.
Don't blame me for your own words. Supporting my opinion that you're a misandrist is a lot more than your unsupported accusations and insults. Because I support my opinion, it would be much harder to demonstrate malice, whereas your attacks seem only grounded in malice.

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Syne Wrote:Just recently you claimed that being "strong protectors" "can make [men] stupid," as if there was any causal link between the two.

I said that anger can make you stupid, stupid.
You're lying again...insulting to boot. At best, you equated "strong protectors" with anger, which is a false equivalence.
(Nov 16, 2021 06:57 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Men, on the other hand, are perceived as strong protectors. It may be necessary for survival in some situations, but it can make you stupid.

"Even great injustice is no excuse for childish and undisciplined behavior. For not only is anger bad because of its consequences—alienating political opponents, breeding revenge and violence, inhibiting progress—it is also a bad thing in itself, an immoral and incoherent way of responding to the world."

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syne Wrote:Or that "more women are graduating from college" because "men...spend more time trying to produce offspring." Again, unrelated misandry.

Would you agree that girls perform better in school than boys? Would you agree that there are behavioral and developmental differences between males and females? Would you agree that young men think about sex and seek sex more often than young women?
Seeking sex has nothing to do with "more time trying to produce offspring." Nor graduation rates, unless you can show that men now spend more time pursuing sex than they ever have in the past...

Between 2000-2002 and 2016-2018, past-year sexual inactivity rose from almost 19 percent to almost 31 percent among men ages 18 to 24, according to researchers led by Dr. Peter Ueda, a postdoctoral researcher at the Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm, Sweden.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/y...frequently

...nope.
Schooling has always been more tailored to girls' natural tendencies.

The study found that the strongest predictor of women’s GPA advantage across fields was the type of institution, with a larger advantage occurring at nonresearch institutions compared with research institutions. In addition, the study found that at nonresearch institutions with programs specifically supporting women in science and engineering, women’s GPA advantage was even larger.
https://clear.dol.gov/study/women-men-an...ergraduate

IOW, men benefit more from active learning, like research, while women benefit from more passive learning, like most primary and secondary education. And programs that encourage women help them even more.

So you've yet to demonstrate that any of your misandrist claims have anything to do with why more women now graduate college.
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Secular Sanity Offline
Syne Wrote:Well, you've accused me of being a troll, incel, mgtow, etc., without any evidence but guilt by association and genetic fallacies.
I've accused you of being a misandrist, with copious of evidence, like your own words.

Secular Sanity Wrote:I never called you an incel. I said that you referred to us as parasites and used terms and images associated with the incel community.


Syne Wrote:You're lying again.

(Feb 8, 2019 01:46 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: why don’t we check in with your incel mentor
(Feb 7, 2019 06:34 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Wow! MR is right. Incel much?
(Feb 6, 2019 01:27 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: And yeah, it makes you sound like an incel.
(Feb 5, 2019 09:56 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Man-oh-man! You really are starting to sound like an incel.

I never called you an incel. At times, you do sound like one though.

Secular Sanity Wrote:I said that anger can make you stupid, stupid.

You're lying again...insulting to boot. At best, you equated "strong protectors" with anger, which is a false equivalence.

(Nov 16, 2021 06:57 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Men, on the other hand, are perceived as strong protectors. It may be necessary for survival in some situations, but it can make you stupid.

Context is everything, deary. Read it again.

Wow! What a whiny little bitch.
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Syne Offline
(Nov 30, 2021 02:57 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Feb 8, 2019 01:46 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: why don’t we check in with your incel mentor
(Feb 7, 2019 06:34 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Wow! MR is right. Incel much?
I never called you an incel. At times, you do sound like one though.
Then you're either such a fucking liar or an illiterate moron. Only an incel would have one as a mentor and "incel much" literally means "are you an incel much" (as in "do you beat your wife often," i.e. the loaded question that can only assert "you beat your wife").

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Secular Sanity Wrote:I said that anger can make you stupid, stupid.

You're lying again...insulting to boot. At best, you equated "strong protectors" with anger, which is a false equivalence.

(Nov 16, 2021 06:57 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Men, on the other hand, are perceived as strong protectors. It may be necessary for survival in some situations, but it can make you stupid.

Context is everything, deary. Read it again.


She says, as she removed much of the quoted context.
You have yet to justify how being "perceived as strong protectors" can itself "make you stupid."
Just more of your vague arm waving when you can't justify your misandrist bullshit.

Quote:Wow! What a whiny little bitch.
Wow! What a trolling twat in a loveless marriage taking it out on other guys who won't placate her desire to be seen as an equal.
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confused2 Offline
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IMHO SS and Syne fall into the 'consenting adults' category so no help for them.
I do, in principle, agree with doxing the scum of the Internet.
We seem (as usual) to have wandered off the topic of defining 'scum' and whether or not they should be doxed.
Syne.. incel .. do PMs count?
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Syne Offline
(Nov 30, 2021 05:25 AM)confused2 Wrote: I do, in principle, agree with doxing the scum of the Internet.

Unless that scum has actually broken the law then, in principle, you're against free speech.
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Secular Sanity Offline
(Nov 30, 2021 05:11 AM)Syne Wrote: Then you're either such a fucking liar or an illiterate moron. Only an incel would have one as a mentor and "incel much" literally means "are you an incel much" (as in "do you beat your wife often," i.e. the loaded question that can only assert "you beat your wife").

I never called you an incel. Your mentor? Yes, but I checked and he can't sue me here in the states. And "incel much?" Well, a question mark gets me out of libel, silly boy. 

Syne Wrote:She says, as she removed much of the quoted context.
You have yet to justify how being "perceived as strong protectors" can itself "make you stupid."
Just more of your vague arm waving when you can't justify your misandrist bullshit.

Recap...

Syne Wrote:Sure, studies done on men after decades of feminization and demonizing masculine traits, through school, culture, single-motherhood, etc..
Secular Sanity Wrote:Like anger?
Secular Sanity Wrote:An outward expression of anger has always been socially unacceptable for women, but men...not so much, and anger is an intense emotion.
Syne Wrote:And? I presume you're eventually going to get around to making some kind of point here. What, I have no idea.

"Secular Sanity Wrote:An angry woman is perceived as less competent, irrational, crazy, and unlikeable. Men, on the other hand, are perceived as strong protectors. It [anger] may be necessary for survival in some situations, but it can make you stupid.

My point was that angry men are more influential than angry women. An angry woman is perceived as emotional and not having control over her emotions.

"Our study suggests that women might not have the same opportunity for influence when they express anger," Salerno said. "We found that when men expressed their opinion with anger, participants rated them as more credible, which made them less confident in their own opinion. But when women expressed identical arguments and anger, they were perceived as more emotional, which made participants more confident in their own opinion."

"This effect can't be explained by women communicating anger less effectively or looking different when they express anger because we took all of that out of the equation," Salerno explained. "The effect was due to participants thinking that anger came from a man versus a woman." SOURCE

Before his edit, C2 asked where "strong protector" came from.

Syne’s reply reminded me of The 3P’s of Manhood: protect, procreate, and provide.

(Nov 30, 2021 05:25 AM)confused2 Wrote: Syne.. incel .. do PMs count?

Is this a "breaking man code" sort of thing?
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Syne Offline
(Nov 30, 2021 03:47 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Nov 30, 2021 05:11 AM)Syne Wrote: Then you're either such a fucking liar or an illiterate moron. Only an incel would have one as a mentor and "incel much" literally means "are you an incel much" (as in "do you beat your wife often," i.e. the loaded question that can only assert "you beat your wife").

I never called you an incel. Your mentor? Yes, but I checked and he can't sue me here in the states. And "incel much?" Well, a question mark gets me out of libel, silly boy. 
I've never accused you of libel, deary, as defamation must include damage, which you have no way to inflict. You're just a run-of-the-mill ignorant liar.
Since it's obvious you don't understand simple English, you can hardly be held accountable for how you use words. You know, like a child. You'll always just claim you didn't do it.

Seems Australian law covers loaded questions and insinuation in their defamation law, but like I've said, defamation is very hard to prove under US law.

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Syne Wrote:She says, as she removed much of the quoted context.
You have yet to justify how being "perceived as strong protectors" can itself "make you stupid."
Just more of your vague arm waving when you can't justify your misandrist bullshit.

Recap...

Syne Wrote:Sure, studies done on men after decades of feminization and demonizing masculine traits, through school, culture, single-motherhood, etc..
Secular Sanity Wrote:Like anger?
Secular Sanity Wrote:An outward expression of anger has always been socially unacceptable for women, but men...not so much, and anger is an intense emotion.
Syne Wrote:And? I presume you're eventually going to get around to making some kind of point here. What, I have no idea.

"Secular Sanity Wrote:An angry woman is perceived as less competent, irrational, crazy, and unlikeable. Men, on the other hand, are perceived as strong protectors. It [anger] may be necessary for survival in some situations, but it can make you stupid.

My point was that angry men are more influential than angry women. An angry woman is perceived as emotional and not having control over her emotions.
Like I said in that thread, emotional variability has nothing to do with it. It's the difference between rational and irrational emotions. When men are angry, the reason is often very apparent because it is explicitly expressed, which gives people some ability to understand it as a possible rational response. When women are angry, they often don't even fully understand why themselves.

Where does this unexplained anger come from? What does it mean?

There may be many different causes. One explanation is that you have weak boundaries. You say yes when you really want to say no. You do things for others that you don’t feel comfortable doing. You’re constantly drained and depleted.

But you might not make the connection, said Julie de Azevedo Hanks, Ph.D, LCSW, owner of Wasatch Family Therapy and author of The Assertiveness Guide for Women: How to Communicate Your Needs, Set Healthy Boundaries, and Transform Your Relationships. “[You] may just think that people take advantage of [you] and not realize that [you] have a part in that dynamic.”
https://psychcentral.com/blog/angry-all-...t-be-why#1

Again, women who don't hold themselves accountable for the part they play are likely to be unaware of the real reasons behind their anger.

Assuming that men's anger is somehow worse, or "can make you stupid," completely ignores the fact that women often have trouble expressing their anger because they have trouble understanding it themselves. Explains a lot of your unhinged posts, SS.

Quote:"Our study suggests that women might not have the same opportunity for influence when they express anger," Salerno said. "We found that when men expressed their opinion with anger, participants rated them as more credible, which made them less confident in their own opinion. But when women expressed identical arguments and anger, they were perceived as more emotional, which made participants more confident in their own opinion."

"This effect can't be explained by women communicating anger less effectively or looking different when they express anger because we took all of that out of the equation," Salerno explained. "The effect was due to participants thinking that anger came from a man versus a woman." SOURCE

Women are known, through most people's personal experience, to be more irrationally emotional than men. It's so ubiquitous, men and women both expect it. Otherwise we'd have these studies blaming men for angry women being seen as less credible.

Brescoll said that paying emotionally neutral pays and, if you can't, at least explain what ticked you off in the first place.
https://www.medindia.net/news/are-angry-...5002-1.htm

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Secular Sanity Offline
(Nov 30, 2021 05:17 PM)Syne Wrote: Brescoll said that paying emotionally neutral pays and, if you can't, at least explain what ticked you off in the first place.
https://www.medindia.net/news/are-angry-...5002-1.htm

Well, what ticked you off?

Was it this?

(Nov 29, 2021 04:02 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Nice to see that you’re finally admitting that you’re a troll though.
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