Will Iran regime fall, or just another umpteenth fail of protesters? (rerun hobbies)

Quote:You're even dumb enough to conflate "dumb savages" and "bad actors," even though you're obviously the latter

So when you call them "savages" AND "bad actors" (same people) that nobody can negotiate with, even though we are negotiating with them right now, wtf did you mean? I have already shown how racists like you use the term to dehumanize non-white cultures and even confirmed it with Google AI. So what's your special cherry-picked definition? Be specific now.

(Yesterday 01:55 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:You're even dumb enough to conflate "dumb savages" and "bad actors," even though you're obviously the latter

So when you call them "savages" and "bad actors" that nobody can negotiate with, even though we are negotiating with them right now, wtf did you mean? I have already shown how racists like you use the term to dehumanize non-white cultures and even confirmed it with Google AI. So what's your special cherry-picked definition? Be specific now.

You're the ONLY ONE claiming simple terms must be racist and dehumanizing. I can only assume it's because that's where your heart resides. You cannot comprehend anything else.

"Savages" refers to people, behaviors, or environments characterized as wild, untamed, ferocious, or uncivilized. The term often implies extreme cruelty, lack of advanced societal development, or a state of nature. Historically used as a colonial, pejorative term, it also means to fiercely attack, criticize, or to be exceptionally intense.
- Google AI

savage
: lacking the restraints normal to civilized human beings : fierce, ferocious
: malicious

Unless you think civilized human beings often wantonly murder tens of thousands of civilians, uses human shields and intentionally attacks solely civilian targets (war crimes), etc..? @_@
I wouldn't call a authoritarian theocracy an "advanced societal development" either. 9_9
I will just go ahead and repeat my prediction that you will ignore all of this and stick to your cherry-picked strawman.


I'm betting we can negotiate with them... but only once they realize they have zero options or leverage left. We try to negotiate to both give them a fair chance (or prove their dishonesty) and for us to regroup/rearm.

Quote:Unless you think civilized human beings often wantonly murder tens of thousands of civilians, uses human shields and intentionally attacks solely civilian targets (war crimes), etc..?

So to be clear, are they savages because "they"----as an organization that has undoubtedly changed many hands over the decades--have killed lots of people? Or have they killed lots of people because they are savages? And did you know the Nazis, who were obviously very civilized, killed lots of people too? On the other hand,did you know there's tribes in the Amazon who are very uncivilized but who have not killed lots of people and are very peace-loving? So how do you equate being uncivilized and killing lots of people?

Bonus questions:

Do you think they don't use cellphones and drive cars and cook with microwaves and watch TV just because they worship Allah? And is Islam a religion of savages? How so?

uncivilized (comparative more uncivilized, superlative most uncivilized)

1) Not having developed a civilization.
The explorers wrote about the so-called uncivilized tribes.

2) Crude, barbarous, wild, uncultured.
They described the practice as uncivilized.

3) Lacking good manners.

Synonyms: bumptious, ill-bred, rude; see also Thesaurus:impolite
uncivilized behavior

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/uncivilized

Conclusion: Methinks your use of the word savage has nothing to do with meaning uncivilized. Which leaves only the racist sense of subhuman with no rational or moral faculties.

Vice President Vance just held a press conference in Pakistan where he said that after 21 hours of all night talks, no agreement was reached. The Iranians totally refuse to budge off their key demands including keeping their nuclear enrichment program.

Vance said that “We leave here with a very simple proposal. A method of understanding that is our final and best offer.” So it appears that the talks have concluded.

(Yesterday 02:22 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Unless you think civilized human beings often wantonly murder tens of thousands of civilians, uses human shields and intentionally attacks solely civilian targets (war crimes), etc..?

So to be clear, are they savages because "they"----as an organization that has undoubtedly changed many hands over the decades...

I've already explained to you that it doesn't matter if the ayatollah changes hands, as it's the same ideology that believes in an ascendant authoritarian theocracy. Did you miss that, couldn't understand simple English, or is this just another sad strawman?

Quote:--have killed lots of people? Or have they killed lots of people because they are savages? And did you know the Nazis, who were obviously very civilized, killed lots of people too?

Nazis would be savages too, and their similar ideology of ascendancy not an "advanced societal development."
As I've repeatedly told you, it's about their objective actions, e.g. wantonly murdering thousands and millions of people.

If they killed no one, it wouldn't fit my usage of "savages." You know, if you could comprehend the simple English definitions I've given you.

Quote:On the other hand,did you know there's tribes in the Amazon who are very uncivilized but who have not killed lots of people and are very peace-loving? So how do you equate being uncivilized and killing lots of people?

I didn't. That's your own strawman, racist pig.

Quote:Bonus questions:

Do you think they don't use cellphones and drive cars and cook with microwaves and watch TV just because they worship Allah? And is Islam a religion of savages? How so?

No, I don't believe any of that, racist pig. ONLY YOU would make such racist assumptions, because that's where your heart lives... in the muck with that vile.

Quote:Conclusion: Methinks your use of the word savage has nothing to do with meaning uncivilized. Which leaves only the racist sense of subhuman with no rational or moral faculties.

Just as I predicted, you'll ignore everything I say to cling to your intellectually dishonest strawman. If you think wantonly murdering tens of thousands of people for peaceful protests is civilized, THAT'S ON YOU.

Quote:As I've repeatedly told you, it's about their objective actions, e.g. wantonly murdering thousands and millions of people.

I just showed you that uncivilized does not mean killing lots of people.
Let's check the Dictionary on that:

uncivilized (comparative more uncivilized, superlative most uncivilized)

1) Not having developed a civilization.
The explorers wrote about the so-called uncivilized tribes.

2) Crude, barbarous, wild, uncultured.
They described the practice as uncivilized.

3) Lacking good manners.

Synonyms: bumptious, ill-bred, rude; see also Thesaurus:impolite
uncivilized behavior

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/uncivilized

Conclusion: Methinks your use of the word savage has nothing to do with meaning uncivilized. Which leaves only the racist sense of subhuman with no rational or moral faculties.

Quote:wantonly murdering thousands and millions of people.

When did that happen? Was it the same people every time or different people? How many people has Israel killed over the years? Any estimates?

Besides all that, who appointed the US as the executioners for punishing Iran of all of its past crimes? Who has that power and authority? You? Trump? I don't think anyone does.

(Yesterday 02:48 AM)Yazata Wrote: Vice President Vance just held a press conference in Pakistan where he said that after 21 hours of all night talks, no agreement was reached. The Iranians totally refuse to budge off their key demands including keeping their nuclear enrichment program. Unclear if the US and Iran intend to continue talking or if Vance and his company are heading home.

As I expected, Iran still thinks the Strait is sufficient leverage, especially when most the world seems like they'd rather sufferer the high energy prices and shortages than do anything even remotely masculine or assertive about it. I suspect Vance and team will be heading home. There's really no point negotiating until the regime has been fully brought to heel... at which point they will either be effectively gone or they will be the ones coming to negotiate at our convenience, on our terms.

Unleash Israel.

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(Yesterday 02:52 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:wantonly murdering thousands and millions of people.

When did that happen? Was it the same people or different people?

Remember the people Trump told "help is coming"? Did the regime murdering tens of thousands of peaceful protesters not make it to you, watching CNN and MSDNC? @_@

Quote:How many people has Israel killed over the years? Any estimates?

You mean people who always initiated the aggression first? Because that's what happened. Learn some history for once in your life.
And the fact that you'd try to make such a moral equivalence just proves how morally bankrupt your are, fatass loser.

Quote:You mean people who always initiated the aggression first?

No..I mean all the Palestinians they have systematically been committing genocide on now since the 1940's up to their endless bombing of Gaza back to the stone ages. Deaths including those due to disease, starvation, being shot, and just being blown to shit as an excuse for not having an accurate enough bead on Hamas. "Oh they could be anywhere! Blow up everything!"

(Yesterday 03:11 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:You mean people who always initiated the aggression first?

No..I mean all the Palestinians they have systematically been committing genocide on now since the 1940's up to their endless bombing of Gaza back to the stone ages. Deaths including those due to disease, starvation, being shot, and just being blown to shit as an excuse for not having an accurate enough bead on Hamas. "Oh they could be anywhere! Blow up everything!"

Like I said, learn some history for once in your life.
Hamas using human shields, per international law, is a war crime, where Hamas is responsible for those civilian deaths.

Vance's plane (AF2) has departed Islamabad Pakistan headed back to Washington.

And the Iranian state news agency says...

(They spin so hard it makes me dizzy)