Trump declares war on Minnesota

Deporting people because they have no right to be in the US is one thing.
Deporting people because they aren't white European immigrants is another. Trump has muddied the water by 'not wanting people' (apparently) regardless of their legal status in the country. Some see this as all the same thing and others see Trump's not wanting certain groups of people as something that should be stopped (preferably) before it starts. Yet another group think he is entirely right and America should be an outpost of white Europe both ethnically and culturally.

Like it or not, some nationalities of people are a net benefit to any society they move to and some are a net drain. That's just a fact borne out by statistics. If you don't like the "optics" of facts, you might not be suited to dealing with them.

Denmark says 'non-Western' immigrants cost state 31 billion kroner
The cost to the state of immigration from countries defines as ‘non-Western’ was 31 billion kroner in 2018, according to an annual report from the Danish Ministry of Finance.

Calculated as a net cost or nettobidrag, the figure is based on state spending on public services related to immigration and welfare benefits received by immigrants.

This means that, along with spending on benefits, the costs of public services to which everyone in Denmark has access are included in the calculation.

As such, the costs per person of things like health care, child care, education and culture are factored into the calculation of what the state spends on specified groups and individuals.

Tax contributions from persons who fall into the category ‘non-Western immigrant or descendant’ are deducted from the total.

In a press release on Friday, the finance ministry said that the figure was 2 billion kroner less than in 2017, and down from 42 billion kroner in 2015. The full report can be found here.

Authorities and statistical agencies in Denmark categorise people considered not of Danish heritage into two groups: ‘immigrants’ and ‘descendants’ of immigrants (‘efterkommere’).

A person is considered to be Danish if she or he has at least one parent who is a Danish citizen and was born in Denmark. People defined as ‘immigrants’ and ‘descendants' do not fulfil those criteria. The difference between the two is that an ‘immigrant’ was born outside of Denmark, while a ‘descendant' was born in Denmark.

Meanwhile, all EU countries along with Andorra, Australia, Canada, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, New Zealand, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, the United States and the Vatican are considered ‘Western’.

Everywhere else – all of Latin America, Africa and Asia – is ‘non-Western’.

However, authorities have now also begun to divide the ‘non-Western’ classification into so-called ‘MENAPT’ countries and ‘other’ non-Western countries.

MENAPT refers to countries in the Middle East and North Africa plus Pakistan and Turkey.

The former of these two groups cost the state 24 billion of the overall 31 billion kroner spent on non-Western immigration in 2018, according to the ministry statement.

People from the MENAPT countries constituted around 55 percent of all non-Western immigrants and descendants in 2018.

The notable difference in the net contribution between the two groups must be seen in context of their primary reasons for moving to Denmark, the ministry writes.

That is because a larger proportion of people from MENAPT countries arrive in Denmark as refugees or for family reunification, while those from other countries are more likely to move to Denmark because of a job offer or study place.

Presented as a per-person cost, immigrants and descendants from MENAPT countries cost the Danish state 85,000 kroner per person in 2018, according to the ministry. For those from other non-Western countries, the figure is 4,000 kroner per person.

Immigrants from Western countries give a net contribution to state finances through their tax payments, the ministry also writes. The same applies for Danish nationals.

Minister for Immigration and Integration Mattias Tesfaye cited the falling overall spending on non-Western migrants as vindication of the government’s strict stance on immigration.

“The report confirms the problems we know about. There is still a large integration lag,” Tesfaye said in the statement.

“But I am happy it shows net spending on immigrants and descendants continues to fall,” he added.

“It’s good news. Strict immigration policy works,” Tesfaye also said.

Lower welfare benefits for refugees compared to others on social support (integrationsydelsen) were introduced by the then-Liberal led government in 2015. They were expected to save the state one billion kroner by 2020, it was reported a year later.

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Obama Wrote:We've had 5 million undocumented workers...

Syne Wrote:Like it or not, some nationalities of people are a net benefit to any society they move to and some are a net drain.

Can anyone explain (to Syne) .. ?

I provided the Denmark statistics. Don't like those facts? Take it up with the Danes.

Isn't the issue not that people are being deported - as Syne has said, Obama deported more than Trump, and even in this first year Trump has not matched peak Obama figures... despite massive increase in funding this term - but rather the method that ICE are now using? With Obama you didn't really hear about it. But he deported large numbers. Current methodology, it's almost as if it is designed to stoke civil unrest. Short of shooting American citizens dead with minimal cause, I'm not sure what else they need do... oh, wait....

(Yesterday 12:14 AM)Peeples Wrote: Current methodology, it's almost as if it is designed to stoke civil unrest.

Exact same methodology as Obama:
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/z83MEWRes48

The difference is Democrat politicians stoking violent rhetoric and protests against ICE.

Quote:Short of shooting American citizens dead with minimal cause, I'm not sure what else they need do... oh, wait....

You don't resist arrest while armed with zero consequences. Any lawyer will tell you not to resist law enforcement officers.

If you are deporting people because they don't have citizenship papers - that's one thing. If you are deporting people because you don't like them it becomes a bit more personal. There is no need for anything other than the paperwork - Trump (and many of his supporters) like it to be personal .. not just winning but winning biggly.

ICE is targeting illegal aliens with criminal records or charges. Yes, law abiding citizens don't like their country being taken advantage of by foreign criminals.

Anything else if leftist propaganda and TDS.

(Yesterday 03:38 AM)Syne Wrote: ICE is targeting illegal aliens with criminal records or charges. Yes, law abiding citizens don't like their country being taken advantage of by foreign criminals.

Anything else if leftist propaganda and TDS.

Trump seems to be the first to recognize the existence of millions of murderers and rapists who have invaded the country. Folks with TDS will doubt Trump is telling the truth (even when he is) - the problems on the street are the result of Trump's re-branding of illegal immigrants as murderers and rapists.