Trump falsely accuses Ukraine of starting the war

[Magical Realist]

Lying dumbass Don again. How utterly embarrassing...

"President Donald Trump suggested Tuesday that Ukraine was responsible for Russia's invasion of the country three years ago, arguing Kyiv could have made a deal to avoid the conflict.

“You should have never started it,” Trump said of Ukraine while criticizing President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who had expressed concern that his country was not included in talks between the U.S. and Russia in Saudi Arabia.

"I think I have the power to end this war, and I think it's going very well. But today I heard, 'Oh, well, we weren't invited.' Well, you've been there for three years," Trump told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort. "You should have never started it. You could have made a deal."

Trump went on to say: "I could have made a deal for Ukraine that would have given them almost all of the land, everything, almost all of the land, and no people would have been killed, and no city would have been demolished, and not one dome would have been knocked down. But they chose not to do it that way."

The Ukrainian Embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Trump's remarks."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...rcna192710

[Syne]

Russians started an invasion. Ukraine started a war in response. You can certainly say the invasion was the proximate cause of the war, but you could also say that seeking NATO membership, refusing to surrender regions largely populated with Russians, etc. was the proximate cause.

In any case, trying to score political points by calling someone a lair on a nuanced topic is lazy and intellectually dishonest.

[Magical Realist]

Russians started an invasion. Ukraine started a war in response.

Russia started the war by invading a country that has the sovereign right of self-rule and self-defense. Ukraine started nothing. You will lie and distort anything to defend Trump's asinine remarks. You're as pathetic as he is. I remember a time when Republicans hated Russian commies. So what happened?

[Syne]

Like I said (if you weren't terminally illiterate), "You can certainly say the invasion was the proximate cause of the war." Republicans still hate Russia, but that doesn't give corrupt Ukraine a pass, especially not for demanding they get back Crimea, which was taken under Obama without anyone batting an eye. Remember, there is nuance and two things can both be true. Ukraine has largely been a spoiled brat, demanding they get everything they want, regardless of their inability to secure it themselves. They wanted to join NATO, so NATO would be forced to fight their war for them. Like any other country, the only right to sovereignty is what you can secure yourself. No other country owes it to you to come save you from essentially rattling sabers at your much larger neighbor.

But you go on living in TDS la la land, where Ukraine is suddenly and inexorably pure and good just because they face Russia. You're so naive that you only see black and white, when both are just very muddy shades of grey. Ukraine just benefits from not being a geopolitical threat to anyone.

[Magical Realist]

LOL Oooo so grey and muddled. The fact cannot be denied that Russia started the war regardless of whatever personal grudge you have against Ukraine. Spoiled? lol So what? No country on earth deserves to be invaded and bombed back to the stone age. None. Trump blatantly lied and is kissing Putin's murderous ass in doing so. So quit blindly defending him. Your spineless groveling before him really gets rather nauseating after awhile..

[stryder]

Ukraine can demand Crimea back as it was taken illegally. There was never any attempted negociation on what Russia wanted prior to whatever it took, otherwise that would made headlines. Instead they just rolled in and took it. Thats why when they tried rolling in again, it was obviously going to be met with force. What you also have to remember is that prior to Russia moving in a second time, a number of countries were telling Russia not to invade or push into Ukraine. They weren't telling themselves as an order, but because they knew it would progress into a conflict. Also consider Russia defined it a "Special Operation", thats what they called it not Ukraine.

For Trump to start spouting Kremlin rhetoric, it literally implies the Whitehouse is compromised and integrity is lost.

There is potentially a way for the war to end, for Ukraine to get it's land back however I don't think Putin's Russia or Trump are going to like it.

[Syne]

Delusional leftists and their typical TDS.

Why didn't Russia taking Crimea lead to a war? The Russo-Ukrainian War only went hot in the Donbas War (2014). Have you even heard of the Donbas War in the news? Well, that fighting continued until the 2022 Russian invasion. It was an escalation, not a sudden start of hostilities.

Guess what, Ukraine wouldn't have been bombed if they took this invasion as well as they took losing Crimea. That's a simple fact, proven by history.

How do you want this war resolved? WWIII, with the nuclear powers of Russia and the US in a hot war? How much do you think the US can do before Putin decides that's what it is? Sanctions, ICC arrest warrants, and international condemnation aren't stopping Putin.

So what's your brilliant solution? Keep funding Ukraine so this war can go on killing people on both sides for years and years to come? Callous psychopaths.

[confused2]

Guess what, Ukraine wouldn't have been bombed if they took this invasion as well as they took losing Crimea. That's a simple fact, proven by history.

The benefit (to the 'free' world) of Ukraine's resistance is that Putin has nothing to show for his 'Special Operation' after three years. Putin was 69 when when the invasion started - he expected to control Ukraine within a week - he's now 72 and he doesn't control Ukraine. Instead of 10 weeks to rebuild the Russian Empire he's looking at 30 years - by which time he'd be 92.

Trump - now 78 - needs quick fixes so he has time to bask in the glory and to appeal to his fanboys.

It may be that three years of resistance is already enough - for Ukraine to lose a lot but have effectively held the line against Russia. The real problem is now Trump and how keen he might be to use his remaining time to divide up parts of Europe with his Russian friend.

[Syne]

So a little dirt on Putin's face was worth one million deaths since the start of the Donbas War?

You hate this one man so much that one million young men is a small price to pay to stick it to Putin?

What kind of psychopathic reasoning is that?!

[Magical Realist]

LOL! Synthia cheerleading Russia now..

Meanwhile...

"During the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Russian military have carried out deliberate attacks against civilian targets[1][2][3] and indiscriminate attacks in densely-populated areas.[4] The United Nations Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine says the Russian military exposed the civilian population to unnecessary and disproportionate harm by using cluster bombs[5][6][7][8] and by firing other weapons with wide-area effects into civilian areas, such as missiles, heavy artillery shells and multiple launch rockets.[7] As of 2024, the attacks had resulted in the UN-documented deaths of between 11,000[9] and estimated 40,000 dead civilians.[10] On 22 April 2022, the UN reported that of the 2,343 civilian casualties it had been able to document, it could confirm 92.3% of these deaths were as a result of the actions of the Russian armed forces."--- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on...of_Ukraine

"Children, as some of the most vulnerable groups in any society, enjoy special protection under international humanitarian law. Yet we continue to see them killed and injured in areas far from the frontlines, including in areas with zero military targets.."---Patrick Thompson, Amnesty International’s Ukraine resear