Trump falsely accuses Ukraine of starting the war

Oh, poor TDS sufferer. Thinking people who have been only slightly right of center for decades are suddenly "dangerous." That's how the left manipulates you with fear-mongering. Your "teaching sociodynamics" sounds like leftist-speak for propaganda. And in practice, that's always what it is. Teach children, who have no defenses against authority figures, that they should hide things from and rat out their own parents. Control their speech in order to control their thoughts.

It's evil to scheme to warp a child's reality.

(Mar 1, 2025 11:58 PM)Syne Wrote:

(Mar 1, 2025 07:08 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: That's "Life Imitating Art" folks…

Well, at least he had a suit. 

https://youtu.be/-wgkzyG71Tg?si=qkwVYg4Wh-KAC19S

Wait. So they showed the Ukrainians a TV show about a nobody becoming president... and then they elected him president?

Must not take much work to propagandize those people.

Well, that's not all. Kolomoisky owned that show.

Regarding the "Servant of the People", in March 2018, members of Zelenskyy's production company Kvartal 95 registered a new political party called "Servant of the People." Twelve months later, they succeeded in getting their candidate past Yulia Tymoshenko in the first round of the presidential election, and on 21 April 2019 to defeat President Poroshenko in the second round with 73 per cent of the vote. "Zelenskyy was viewed by opponents, and not least by the incumbent Poroshenko, as Kolomoyskyi's candidate."

Kolomousky's Relationship with Volodymyr Zelensky

Remember Hunter Biden and Burisma?

"In 2012, a study of Burisma done by the Anti-Corruption Action Center revealed that the true owner of Burisma was billionaire-oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky.”

Damn! You can’t make this stuff up!

I guess Reagan was and actor, but nothing like this, and it's not fake.

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/UkmI1BHAr8I

Game show host meets er, that^^. Politics makes for strange bedfellows. Before that^^ Zelinski trained to be a lawyer. His parents probably felt the same way about him as Trump does now.

(Mar 2, 2025 04:36 PM)confused2 Wrote: Game show host meets er, that^^. Politics makes for strange bedfellows. Before that^^ Zelinski trained to be a lawyer. His parents probably felt the same way about him as Trump does now.

A good lawyer would have advised him to take the deal.

Critics of Zelensky have argued that despite his anti-corruption rhetoric, he has not fully broken away from the oligarchic system. Kolomoisky, for example, has faced legal challenges in several countries, including the United States, over alleged financial misconduct. Some people believe that Zelensky’s relationship with Kolomoisky may have led to a situation where he must navigate a difficult balance between his public anti-corruption stance and private political realities.

Zelensky's anti-corruption rhetoric and actions have been heavily influenced by Ukraine's aspirations to join NATO and the European Union. The pursuit of NATO membership has played a significant role in shaping his government’s stance on corruption.

The reality is that Zelensky's government is walking a fine line—balancing the influence of oligarchs like Kolomoisky, whose support helped him get elected, with the demands of NATO and the international community for reform.

Supposedly, democratic leaders advised Zelensky to hold out for security guarantees alongside any economic agreements, but there’s no way that we could ever allow them to join NATO because they’d pull us into WWlll, but in the meantime…people are dying.

(Mar 2, 2025 09:30 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:

(Mar 2, 2025 04:36 PM)confused2 Wrote: Game show host meets er, that^^. Politics makes for strange bedfellows. Before that^^ Zelinski trained to be a lawyer. His parents probably felt the same way about him as Trump does now.

A good lawyer would have advised him to take the deal.

Critics of Zelensky have argued that despite his anti-corruption rhetoric, he has not fully broken away from the oligarchic system. Kolomoisky, for example, has faced legal challenges in several countries, including the United States, over alleged financial misconduct. Some people believe that Zelensky’s relationship with Kolomoisky may have led to a situation where he must navigate a difficult balance between his public anti-corruption stance and private political realities.

Zelensky's anti-corruption rhetoric and actions have been heavily influenced by Ukraine's aspirations to join NATO and the European Union. The pursuit of NATO membership has played a significant role in shaping his government’s stance on corruption.

The reality is that Zelensky's government is walking a fine line—balancing the influence of oligarchs like Kolomoisky, whose support helped him get elected, with the demands of NATO and the international community for reform.

Supposedly, democratic leaders advised Zelensky to hold out for security guarantees alongside any economic agreements, but there’s no way that we could ever allow them to join NATO because they’d pull us into WWlll, but in the meantime…people are dying.

I'm thinking the way forward is for the US to pull out of NATO .. hopefully on the very best of terms.
We can see Putin can't invade Europe - he's been bogged down in just one country for three years - 'Europe' should be able to push him back. My father's generation fought in WWII .. obviously we hoped it would never happen again .. it is happening. If the US helps 'a bit' that would be wonderful .. if not .. c'est la vie.

A link to commemorate Americans who gave all to keep Europe free .. we kind of owe it to them to get our shit together.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_A...d_Memorial

(Mar 2, 2025 04:07 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Well, that's not all. Kolomoisky owned that show.

Regarding the "Servant of the People", in March 2018, members of Zelenskyy's production company Kvartal 95 registered a new political party called "Servant of the People." Twelve months later, they succeeded in getting their candidate past Yulia Tymoshenko in the first round of the presidential election, and on 21 April 2019 to defeat President Poroshenko in the second round with 73 per cent of the vote. "Zelenskyy was viewed by opponents, and not least by the incumbent Poroshenko, as Kolomoyskyi's candidate."

Kolomousky's Relationship with Volodymyr Zelensky

Remember Hunter Biden and Burisma?

"In 2012, a study of Burisma done by the Anti-Corruption Action Center revealed that the true owner of Burisma was billionaire-oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky.”

Damn! You can’t make this stuff up!

I guess Reagan was and actor, but nothing like this, and it's not fake.

https://youtu.be/UkmI1BHAr8I?si=yuVfrNR8gHRjR8Oy

Making more and more sense. Zelenskyy is a paid actor working for Kolomoisky.

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(Mar 2, 2025 11:41 PM)confused2 Wrote: I'm thinking the way forward is for the US to pull out of NATO .. hopefully on the very best of terms.
We can see Putin can't invade Europe - he's been bogged down in just one country for three years - 'Europe' should be able to push him back. My father's generation fought in WWII .. obviously we hoped it would never happen again .. it is happening. If the US helps 'a bit' that would be wonderful .. if not .. c'est la vie.

A link to commemorate Americans who gave all to keep Europe free .. we kind of owe it to them to get our shit together.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_A...d_Memorial

If only Europe could get their shit together. But the moment the US pulls out of NATO, Europe is free to be carpet bombed. Putin has been bogged down in a country he wants to use, which means trying to retain the existing infrastructure. Countries further afield, that cannot be annexed into Russia, could be carpet bombed, instead of targeted missile strikes.

See, you morons literally want WWIII. All just so Putin doesn't get his way. How many people do you want to die just to spite Putin?
That's literally an insane level of hatred... that usually only happens through propaganda and brainwashing.

(Mar 2, 2025 11:41 PM)confused2 Wrote: I'm thinking the way forward is for the US to pull out of NATO .. hopefully on the very best of terms.
We can see Putin can't invade Europe - he's been bogged down in just one country for three years - 'Europe' should be able to push him back. My father's generation fought in WWII .. obviously we hoped it would never happen again .. it is happening. If the US helps 'a bit' that would be wonderful .. if not .. c'est la vie.

A link to commemorate Americans who gave all to keep Europe free .. we kind of owe it to them to get our shit together.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_A...d_Memorial

It’s nice to see that Europe is finally forced to do the heavy lifting for a change. We’re the biggest contributor, thus far. Trump said that the UK could take care itself, but Starmer emphasized that they would need, not just a bit, but strong U.S. backing.

I listened to some of the talks from the leaders from other countries. Finland’s president was pushing for EU membership and NATO and insisting that we not leave it up to Russia. Russia will be backed by China though, along with a few others.

So, yeah, if those on that side of the pond want to start WWIII, I’d love for us to bow out of NATO. If so…au revoir.

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(Mar 3, 2025 12:03 AM)Syne Wrote: Making more and more sense. Zelenskyy is a paid actor working for Kolomoisky.

Maybe in the beginning but Kolomoisky is in prison now. Gotta have a noncorrupt stance if you want in NATO.

Quote:Syne Wrote:
Making more and more sense. Zelenskyy is a paid actor working for Kolomoisky.

Quote:Maybe in the beginning but Kolomoisky is in prison now. Gotta have a noncorrupt stance if you want in NATO.

Oops..nipped that rightwing conspiracy in the bud!

Ukrainian MP Oleksandr Dubinsky has called for the impeachment of President Volodymyr Zelensky following a heated exchange between Zelensky, U.S. President Donald Trump, and Vice President JD Vance during a meeting at the White House on Friday.

In a post on X, Dubinsky sharply criticized Zelensky, labeling his actions a “diplomatic failure.”

“The events of the past hours - the public humiliation of Zelensky at the White House, Trump’s acknowledgment of Zelensky's diplomatic failure, and Ukraine’s loss of unconditional U.S. support - have marked the final act of the regime's collapse,” he wrote. “But Zelensky has not only failed in foreign policy - he has driven the country into a state where anyone who disagrees with his course faces repression.”

Dubinsky demanded an “emergency session of the Ukrainian Parliament” to initiate impeachment proceedings against Zelensky, citing the following reasons -

- the failure of foreign policy, which has led to Ukraine's international isolation and the loss of allied support.

- a lost war, which is the result of incompetent leadership and catastrophic decisions.

- violations of citizens' rights and the usurpation of power, manifested in the suppression of the opposition, persecution of dissenters, and authoritarian rule."
- https://www.hindustantimes.com/photos/ne...30236.html

So not only Trump and Biden having problems with Zelenskyy, but now his own MP as well.

(Mar 3, 2025 01:01 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Syne Wrote:
Making more and more sense. Zelenskyy is a paid actor working for Kolomoisky.

Quote:Maybe in the beginning but Kolomoisky is in prison now. Gotta have a noncorrupt stance if you want in NATO.

Oops..nipped that rightwing conspiracy in the bud!

Not really. He was a business partner with Zelensky, and he owned that show.

According to some reports, Biden targeted him to send a message about the corruption, but then again, he was also involved with the Hunter/Burisma bit.

They’re still just a candidate for the EU. If Europe is so gung-ho, why not make them a member now?