Ben Shapiro proves how out of touch he is on transgenderism

Yeah, big leftist political conspiracy again. The concept of gender as a socio-cultural construct was well in place long before the transgender rights movement ever began. As usual the alt right is sorely lacking in an appreciation for historical context:

Gender as distinct from sex

"In 1945, Madison Bentley defined gender as the "socialized obverse of sex".[35][36] Simone de Beauvoir's 1949 book The Second Sex has been interpreted as the beginning of the distinction between sex and gender in feminist theory,[37][38] although this interpretation is contested by many feminist theorists, including Sara Heinämaa.[39][40]

Controversial sexologist John Money coined the term gender role,[41][42] and was the first to use it in print in a scientific trade journal in 1955.[43][44] In the seminal 1955 paper, he defined it as "all those things that a person says or does to disclose himself or herself as having the status of boy or man, girl or woman."[45]

The modern academic sense of the word, in the context of social roles of men and women, dates at least back to 1945,[46] and was popularized and developed by the feminist movement from the 1970s onwards (see Feminist theory and gender studies below), which theorizes that human nature is essentially epicene and social distinctions based on sex are arbitrarily constructed. In this context, matters pertaining to this theoretical process of social construction were labelled matters of gender."---
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

Quote:That’s a good rebuttal. Setting yourself up for another “you’re homophobic or transphobic calling out”?

Take pride in your transphobia. After all, you devote so much energy here trying to justify it. Why would hating transgenders be something you are ashamed of? Is it not part of your agenda to drive transgenders back into the closet? To keep lecherous crossdressers from raping women in public restrooms?

(Sep 1, 2024 08:42 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Yeah, big leftist political conspiracy again. The concept of gender as a socio-cultural construct was well in place long before the transgender rights movement ever began. As usual the alt right is sorely lacking in an appreciation for historical context:

Gender as distinct from sex

"In 1945, Madison Bentley defined gender as the "socialized obverse of sex".[35][36] Simone de Beauvoir's 1949 book The Second Sex has been interpreted as the beginning of the distinction between sex and gender in feminist theory,[37][38] although this interpretation is contested by many feminist theorists, including Sara Heinämaa.[39][40]

Controversial sexologist John Money coined the term gender role,[41][42] and was the first to use it in print in a scientific trade journal in 1955.[43][44] In the seminal 1955 paper, he defined it as "all those things that a person says or does to disclose himself or herself as having the status of boy or man, girl or woman."[45]

The modern academic sense of the word, in the context of social roles of men and women, dates at least back to 1945,[46] and was popularized and developed by the feminist movement from the 1970s onwards (see Feminist theory and gender studies below), which theorizes that human nature is essentially epicene and social distinctions based on sex are arbitrarily constructed. In this context, matters pertaining to this theoretical process of social construction were labelled matters of gender."---
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

For the umpteenth time, no one said anything about any conspiracy... other than you projecting.
Neither has anyone said that gender ideology is a new thing, so you're arguing a lot of straw men.

There are universal "gender role" behaviors that exist because they have their origin in evolutionary psychology, which is driven by the necessities of biology. No one has disputed that cultural norms play a role in the expression of gender roles in different cultures. But there are underlying behaviors that are universal, and these are inherently linked to biology. Scientifically, we do know that the sexes aren't born a blank slate, completely devoid of gendered behavior... as has been proven in studies of toddlers and monkeys.

The only conspiracy here is that you believe people on the right somehow deny any cultural/social influence on the expression of gender roles. For that to be true, they'd have to also deny that gender roles have changed, and somehow still believe that most women are homemakers, instead of being in the workforce. Since you obviously cannot show that anyong believes that, it must be your own little conspiracy theory that anyone denies a social influence on gender role expression.

And citing feminist theory is just stupid, as that's always been leftist nonsense.

(Sep 1, 2024 09:50 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:That’s a good rebuttal. Setting yourself up for another “you’re homophobic or transphobic calling out”?

Take pride in your transphobia. After all, you devote so much energy here trying to justify it. Why would hating transgenders be something you are ashamed of? Is it not part of your agenda to drive transgenders back into the closet? To keep lecherous crossdressers from raping women in public restrooms?

Just curious, MR, what is a woman to you? Are we just tits and ass?

Quote:Just curious, MR, what is a woman to you? Are we just tits and ass?

A woman is a particular gender that a person identifies with. A woman is a person, not a type of physical body or just "tits and ass."

(Sep 1, 2024 11:01 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Just curious, MR, what is a woman to you? Are we just tits and ass?

A woman is a particular gender that a person identifies with. A woman is a person, not a type of physical body or just "tits and ass."

So, they say it’s not about sex, it’s a matter of identity and self-perception, not about reducing someone to a sexual object, right?

(Sep 1, 2024 11:32 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:

(Sep 1, 2024 11:01 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Just curious, MR, what is a woman to you? Are we just tits and ass?

A woman is a particular gender that a person identifies with. A woman is a person, not a type of physical body or just "tits and ass."

So, they say it’s not about sex, it’s a matter of identity and self-perception, not about reducing someone to a sexual object, right?

Yes...that is what gender is now overwhelmingly defined as.

(Sep 1, 2024 11:01 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Just curious, MR, what is a woman to you? Are we just tits and ass?

A woman is a person, not a type of physical body or just "tits and ass."

This part doesn't make sense to me. Not trying to cause any problems or be argumentative. It has to be about a physical body or gender roles, right?

Quote:It has to be about a physical body or gender roles, right?

I've heard it put this way: a female is the sex of their body, with all of its female physical characteristics. But a woman is the gender of the person, and is the role they play in their particular society or culture.

(Sep 1, 2024 11:52 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:It has to be about a physical body or gender roles, right?

I've heard it put this way: a female is the sex of their body, with all of its female physical characteristics. But a woman is the gender of the person, and is the role they play in their particular society or culture.

So, the effort to appear as one’s identified gender is about aligning external presentation with internal identity. It is a way of bridging the gap between how someone feels internally and how they interact with the world, fostering a sense of wholeness and acceptance.

But gender presentation itself aligns appearances with cultural and societal norms.

Doesn’t it seem like we need some sort of middle ground that fosters a sense of wholeness and acceptance without puberty blockers and surgery?