Ben Shapiro proves how out of touch he is on transgenderism

[Magical Realist]

Doesn’t it seem like we need some sort of middle ground that fosters a sense of wholeness and acceptance without puberty blockers and surgery?

That's already happening, for instance with trans persons dressing as women but growing beards or non-binary persons mixing together socially-defined masculine and feminine traits. As our society becomes more accepting, perhaps the need for changing one' bodily sex will diminish, and people will simply be accepted as the gender they identity with.

[Secular Sanity]

Doesn’t it seem like we need some sort of middle ground that fosters a sense of wholeness and acceptance without puberty blockers and surgery?

That's already happening, for instance with trans persons dressing as women but growing beards or non-binary persons mixing together socially-defined masculine and feminine traits. As our society becomes more accepting, perhaps the need for changing one' bodily sex will diminish, and people will simply be accepted as the gender they identity with.

You're a smart one, MR. Good day to you!

[Syne]

...is the role they play in their particular society or culture.

So they are playing at a role?
Because many things in a gender role cannot simply be adopted. Bearing children, being the stronger gender, having higher natural tendencies toward nurturing or protection, etc..

Other attributes, that vary from culture to culture, are more superficial, and when adopted, could be seen as more of a costume (cultural/gender appropriation?). Example the trans-woman who threatened Shapiro in a way no female actually would. That demonstrates that inherent sex behavior persist... under the costume.

Same goes trans-men, who are often much more emotional than males, including videos I've seen of one getting overly emotional about being misgendered and Eliot Page showing expressions of sadness/pain while discussing neutral/good subject matter.

[Magical Realist]

...is the role they play in their particular society or culture.

So they are playing at a role?
Because many things in a gender role cannot simply be adopted. Bearing children, being the stronger gender, having higher natural tendencies toward nurturing or protection, etc..

Other attributes, that vary from culture to culture, are more superficial, and when adopted, could be seen as more of a costume (cultural/gender appropriation?). Example the trans-woman who threatened Shapiro in a way no female actually would. That demonstrates that inherent sex behavior persist... under the costume.

Same goes trans-men, who are often much more emotional than males, including videos I've seen of one getting overly emotional about being misgendered and Eliot Page showing expressions of sadness/pain while discussing neutral/good subject matter.

You need to broaden your experience of different people. I personally have known many women who were assertive and dominating and driven by competition, and they were straight. Remember Joan Crawford? I have also known many men who were sensitive and passive and emotive, and they too were straight. Remember Bill Bixby? The line between what is masculine and what is feminine has become increasingly blurred over the years. It is all on a sliding scale that transcends one's sex or gender.

[Syne]

...is the role they play in their particular society or culture.

So they are playing at a role?
Because many things in a gender role cannot simply be adopted. Bearing children, being the stronger gender, having higher natural tendencies toward nurturing or protection, etc..

Other attributes, that vary from culture to culture, are more superficial, and when adopted, could be seen as more of a costume (cultural/gender appropriation?). Example the trans-woman who threatened Shapiro in a way no female actually would. That demonstrates that inherent sex behavior persist... under the costume.

Same goes trans-men, who are often much more emotional than males, including videos I've seen of one getting overly emotional about being misgendered and Eliot Page showing expressions of sadness/pain while discussing neutral/good subject matter.

You need to broaden your experience of different people. I personally have known many women who were assertive and dominating and driven by competition, and they were straight. Remember Joan Crawford? I have also known many men who were sensitive and passive and emotive, and they too were straight. Remember Bill Bixby? The line between what is masculine and what is feminine has become increasingly blurred over the years. It is all on a sliding scale that transcends one's sex or gender.

Read my post again. Did I mention "assertive, dominating, driven by competition, sensitive, passive, or emotive?" No.
Why is it so hard for you to simply reply to what is actually written, instead of replying to some bullshit you make up in your head? Too many voices in your head talking over each other? Poor reading comprehension?

Like I actually did say, there are gender role traits that are inherent to a sex due to biological evolution. There are also gender role traits that are influenced by society, culture, upbringing, etc.. The only blurred line is the one you're conflating between traits that are universal to a sex and traits that every human has to varying degrees... but you are confusing with being gendered (conflating cultural gender stereotypes with gender roles). Now, there are some varied traits that lead to more success for a particular sex, due to their enhancement of evolutionary imperatives. But there's nothing about a sex that mandates you be successful.

[confused2]

If people were nice this wouldn't even be a thread worth posting .
Ben Shapiro .. nice? I don't think so.
But..
Take a boy that wants to be a girl.. give him tits and an ass .. he's still likely to be better than the average girl at some sports .. a nice guy just wouldn't go there .. but tits and ass don't confer 'niceness'.

[Zinjanthropos]

That’s a good rebuttal. Setting yourself up for another “you’re homophobic or transphobic calling out”?

Take pride in your transphobia. After all, you devote so much energy here trying to justify it. Why would hating transgenders be something you are ashamed of? Is it not part of your agenda to drive transgenders back into the closet? To keep lecherous crossdressers from raping women in public restrooms?

I think MR is phony. No offence intended but he could work for CNN for all I know. I figure if MR can work in “Take pride” to maintain the narrative then I can use s/he likewise. Just a game played by disembodied internet players who are otherwise nice to each other.

[Magical Realist]

Other attributes, that vary from culture to culture, are more superficial, and when adopted, could be seen as more of a costume (cultural/gender appropriation?). Example the trans-woman who threatened Shapiro in a way no female actually would. That demonstrates that inherent sex behavior persist... under the costume.

So what attributes are you referring to? Is threatening someone something women are innately incapable of? Does doing so mean they are actually masculine? I would never physically threaten anyone. Does that make me womanish?

Same goes trans-men, who are often much more emotional than males, including videos I've seen of one getting overly emotional about being misgendered and Eliot Page showing expressions of sadness/pain while discussing neutral/good subject matter.

Like I said, there are males who are more emotional and who show more sadness/pain than average and yet are not therefore any less men. That's why I gave you the Bill Bixby example. I think you are referring to the stereotypical cultural ideal of masculinity (machismo) instead of to what men are in themselves. Boys are generally raised to be tough and unexpressive of their feelings like Clint Eastwood. I know I was. So alot of men turn out that way. But there is no basis for thinking these attributes are biological or inborn. As you said, its cosmetic and just a learned social skill. It functions in making one more attractive to women....and even to other men.

macho
adjective
us /ˈmɑ·tʃoʊ/

"behaving in a way that is thought to be typical of a man, esp. by seeming strong and powerful but also seeming too determined to avoid showing weakness and sympathy"

[Syne]

It should be obvious that people in general do not threaten others in ways they are physically incapable of. Hence that particular threat is not one an actual woman would make towards any man. If a real woman did, that could be very dangerous for her. The strength disparity between the sexes is one way biology informs gendered behavior. So that guy is obviously bad at "playing the role." He should have taken some acting classes... or at least learn more about actual women. It's just a parody of a woman.

[Magical Realist]

It should be obvious that people in general do not threaten others in ways they are physically incapable of. Hence that particular threat is not one an actual woman would make towards any man. If a real woman did, that could be very dangerous for her. The strength disparity between the sexes is one way biology informs gendered behavior. So that guy is obviously bad at "playing the role." He should have taken some acting classes... or at least learn more about actual women. It's just a parody of a woman.

OTOH she may have a blackbelt in karate. And Shapiro doesn't impress me as a particularly strong or combat-skilled man. Is he therefore any less of a man? Do you think champion female wrestler Rhonda Rousey is any less of a woman because she can defeat many men in a fight?