Ben Shapiro proves how out of touch he is on transgenderism

[Secular Sanity]

It should be obvious that people in general do not threaten others in ways they are physically incapable of. Hence that particular threat is not one an actual woman would make towards any man. If a real woman did, that could be very dangerous for her. The strength disparity between the sexes is one way biology informs gendered behavior. So that guy is obviously bad at "playing the role." He should have taken some acting classes... or at least learn more about actual women. It's just a parody of a woman.

OTOH she may have a blackbelt in karate. And Shapiro doesn't impress me as a particularly strong or combat-skilled man. Is he therefore any less of a man?  Do you think champion female wrestler Rhonda Rousey is any less of a woman because she can defeat many men in a fight?

I don’t have a blackbelt, but I did Kenpo Karate for years and then I continued on with boxing. Loved the sport because you’re really only competing with yourself. It seemed like my instructor would purposefully let me gain an advantage, which would increase my confidence along with my pricey lessons, and then the next lesson…POW!—right in the kisser.

My son is a MMA fighter. When he was 12…no problem. As soon as his testosterone kicked in…big problem. I hated losing to him…still do.

But when you’re in a sport like that…it emphasizes self-discipline, respect, and control. Instructors typically stress that martial arts should be used for self-defense, personal development, and improving physical fitness, rather than for aggression or intimidation. Threatening people or using martial arts skills to harm others outside of self-defense or competitive contexts is strongly discouraged and often goes against the principles of most martial arts disciplines. You'd get banned. 

But nevertheless, there are angry, threatening, violent women, that's for sure. But Shapiro is right, it's inappropriate during a political discussion. There are very few scenarios where making a physical threat might be considered appropriate, but they usually involve extreme circumstances where self-defense or protecting others from imminent harm is necessary.

[Syne]

It should be obvious that people in general do not threaten others in ways they are physically incapable of. Hence that particular threat is not one an actual woman would make towards any man. If a real woman did, that could be very dangerous for her. The strength disparity between the sexes is one way biology informs gendered behavior. So that guy is obviously bad at "playing the role." He should have taken some acting classes... or at least learn more about actual women. It's just a parody of a woman.

OTOH she may have a blackbelt in karate. And Shapiro doesn't impress me as a particularly strong or combat-skilled man. Is he therefore any less of a man?  Do you think champion female wrestler Rhonda Rousey is any less of a woman because she can defeat many men in a fight?

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/5qzJegPf8g8

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You were saying? @_@

Again, where do you imagine I said anything about someone's fighting skill making them any more or less of a man or woman? You know, aside from the voices in your head.

The difference is that biological men have higher bone and muscle density. This makes them inherently stronger and more resilient to damage.
Here's an example of a scrawny guy who doesn't workout and a woman with an admittedly impressive crossfit routine:

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/YbBIK8CzCYo

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...There are very few scenarios where making a physical threat might be considered appropriate, but they usually involve extreme circumstances where self-defense or protecting others from imminent harm is necessary.

But MR has yet to denounce such threats. Says a lot, IMO.

[Magical Realist]

You were saying? @_@

Just proof Shapiro is a pathetically insecure little twerp who has to post this crap on youtube just to support his misogynist views. I bet you are physically similar. Or else were born with a micropenis. It would totally explain your incel intimidation by and resentment for the female sex.

The difference is that biological men have higher bone and muscle density. This makes them inherently stronger and more resilient to damage.

Makes not abit of difference to someone with trained fighting skills and who works out alot. Do you really think just being male makes you physically superior to all women? You're an idiot. You wouldn't stand 2 minutes in the ring with a female MMA fighter. Even a smaller female can take down a larger male with an adrenaline surge and the element of surprise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3djfQvq_EI

[Syne]

You were saying? @_@

Just proof Shapiro is a pathetically insecure little twerp who has to post this crap on youtube just to support his misogynist views. I bet you are physically similar. Or else were born with a micropenis. It would totally explain your incel intimidation by and resentment for the female sex.

Wait, you just said "Shapiro doesn't impress me as a particularly strong or combat-skilled man." And when I prove you wrong, he must be insecure? That just demonstrates your overwhelming bias.
So fitness and self-improvement can only be motivated by insecurity? Is that only if men self-improve, or does that apply to SS as well? If only men, how is that not sexist? How is physical fitness misogynistic? Are you saying only out-of-shape guys are not misogynistic? Is that how you identify? Whatever happened to being "in gay shape?" Are those gays insecure too? @_@

And how would physical fitness be similar to being born with a micropenis? Since micropenis is often caused by fetal testosterone deficiency, wouldn't that make those guys more prone to be effeminate? You do know that it's harder to workout with low testosterone, right?

Being intimidated or resentful of women sounds like more of a problem for out-of-shape men.

All this just sounds like your usual spate of insults... desperately hoping anything lands. Don't worry, I'm sure one of the voices in your head will tell you I've completely capitulated, regardless of what I actual write.

The difference is that biological men have higher bone and muscle density. This makes them inherently stronger and more resilient to damage.

Makes not abit of difference to someone with trained fighting skills and who works out alot. Do you really think just being male makes you physically superior to all women? You're an idiot. You wouldn't stand 2 minutes in the ring with a female MMA fighter. Even a smaller female can take down a larger male with an adrenaline surge and the element of surprise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3djfQvq_EI

Ah, I see you had to add in "the element of surprise" (sucker punch). And that guy looked like he might have been drunk or high, as there's no reaction, gets up immediately, etc..
Any female fighter will tell you that a man, even pulling his punches, hits way harder than any woman. Even Rousey said that no one should condone a man to hitting a women, even in combat sports. Seems you've drank too much Hollywood/Marvel movie kool-aid about women kicking men's asses.

Well, maybe that's your lived experience, if you identify as an out-of-shape guy.

[Secular Sanity]

Syne’s and Shapiro’s frequent use of potshots undermines their credibility. It gives the viewer the impression that they are more interested in scoring points or attacking opponents rather than addressing substantive issues.

In this case, Dr. Drew tried his best to keep Zoey from focusing on chromosomes, and to stick with brain scans, but I think his first potshot, “sir” got the best of Zoey. Shapiro later said that the debate turned into, you’re not allowed to use somebody’s proper genetic pronouns when you’re talking to them on national T.V. He said that if he’s in a conversation with somebody at dinner, and they’re a friend, this is not a public debate, and I’ll call you whatever you want to be called...I really don’t care, but when it comes to having a public debate about whether a male is in fact a male or a female, I’m not going to seed the ground of the argument by going along with the lie that a genetic male is in fact a female. 

However, pronouns themselves are not scientific terms; they are part of linguistic terminology.

But he also started it off by asking, “Why are we mainstreaming delusion?” Gender dysphoria isn’t considered delusional because people with gender dysphoria generally have a clear understanding of the distinction between their internal experience and societal or biological norms. It's grounded in a real experience of identity and self-perception rather than a detached or distorted view of reality.

I believe that the scientific exploration of the brain's role in cognition and behavior was delayed. If the idea of the brain holding a soul hadn't been prevalent, it might have shifted the focus toward a more purely scientific investigation of the brain's functions earlier on, but we’re all still mainstreaming that mass delusion.

[Magical Realist]

Wait, you just said "Shapiro doesn't impress me as a particularly strong or combat-skilled man." And when I prove you wrong, he must be insecure? That just demonstrates your overwhelming bias.

Wait, I was very clear in what I stated: "Just proof Shapiro is a pathetically insecure little twerp who has to post this crap on youtube just to support his misogynist views."

What is NOT insecure about that? Being physically fit is one thing. Posting yourself exercising on youtube so you can convince millions you are a virile man is quite another. Why else would he do it? What impression of himself is he trying to refute? Will he show himself getting a tattoo next? lol And if changing your body to feel more like a man is ok then why isn't it ok to do that to feel more like a woman?

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Syne’s and Shapiro’s frequent use of potshots undermines their credibility. It gives the viewer the impression that they are more interested in scoring points or attacking opponents rather than addressing substantive issues.

I should never have posted online about my hearing of voices. I had thought we lived in age where having mental issues is not mocked or ridiculed anymore. To the contrary its become Syne's standard gut punch since calling me a fag or queer has become passe. Apparently personal insulting is standard practice among the alt right to compensate for having no good counterargument. It doesn't bother me abit. History is full of great voice hearers like Socrates, Joan of Arc, Ghandi, Winston Churchhill. I'm in good company.

[Secular Sanity]

Yeah, there’s been several times I’ve wanted to ask you questions about it, but fear that it will only cause you more grief.

But as far as this discussion is concerned, or any other discussion, it takes place on both sides. Both sides of any political debate try to shut the other side down.

Shapiro ended up filing a police report because Zoey also said, "I’ll meet you in the parking lot", and later tweeted that he she wanted to curb stomp him.

[Magical Realist]

Shapiro ended up filing a police report because Zoey also said, "I’ll meet you in the parking lot", and later tweeted that he she wanted to curb stomp him.

LMAO! I would definitely pay to watch something like that. Never underestimate a transgender woman. They are tough broads..

[Syne]

Syne’s and Shapiro’s frequent use of potshots undermines their credibility. It gives the viewer the impression that they are more interested in scoring points or attacking opponents rather than addressing substantive issues.

Somehow the tone policing always arduously avoids the substantive issues. Like men breaking records, stealing opportunities, and injuring women in women's sports. Like the fascism of compelled speech around pronouns. Somehow the possibility of hurting someone's feelings make all these substantive issues irrelevant. 9_9

However, pronouns themselves are not scientific terms; they are part of linguistic terminology.

No one ever said otherwise. Like MR, you have a penchant for arguing straw men. But it is Orwellian newspeak when people demand we suddenly change hundreds of years of usage. Anyone can identify however they like, but no one has the right to demand others accommodate their identity. You might think it's polite to call a trans woman "she," but you certainly don't seem to mind MR calling people "incel." The contradiction is glaring. Why is it tone policing only ever applies to the "other?"

But he also started it off by asking, “Why are we mainstreaming delusion?” Gender dysphoria isn’t considered delusional because people with gender dysphoria generally have a clear understanding of the distinction between their internal experience and societal or biological norms. It's grounded in a real experience of identity and self-perception rather than a detached or distorted view of reality.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness by definition. It is a belief contrary to the biological reality, and it causes distress and/or problems functioning in social, work, or family life. The delusion is that men can become women, and vice versa.

Did Shapiro ever say "gender dysphoria is delusion?" I doubt it. Instead, it seems you've just conflated the two.

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Shapiro ended up filing a police report because Zoey also said, "I’ll meet you in the parking lot", and later tweeted that he she wanted to curb stomp him.

LMAO! I would definitely pay to watch something like that. Never underestimate a transgender woman. They are tough broads..

See, MR literally condones violence... not just threats of violence.

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Wait, you just said "Shapiro doesn't impress me as a particularly strong or combat-skilled man." And when I prove you wrong, he must be insecure? That just demonstrates your overwhelming bias.

Wait, I was very clear in what I stated: "Just proof Shapiro is a pathetically insecure little twerp who has to post this crap on youtube just to support his misogynist views."

No, I get that you quickly changed your story to continue your ad homs from a different tack.

What is NOT insecure about that? Being physically fit is one thing. Posting yourself exercising on youtube so you can convince millions you are a virile man is quite another. Why else would he do it? What impression of himself is he trying to refute?

You already answered that with your "Shapiro doesn't impress me as a particularly strong or combat-skilled man."
Considering he's also the number one target for antisemitic threats, it probably doesn't hurt to let people know you're not an easy target for violence... which you certainly seem to be endorsing. Has nothing to do with virile masculinity, as far as I can tell.

And if changing your body to feel more like a man is ok then why isn't it ok to feel more like a woman?

Huge difference between healthy self-improvement and self-mutilation (modifying/destroying healthy tissue). Now if you can show he uses steroids, you might have a case for some small degree of analog. @_@

[Magical Realist]

Shapiro and Syne try to twist the definition of gender dysphoria to mean being transgender is itself a mental disorder. It's the same old tactic they used to say that being gay was a mental disorder. Gender dysphoria is in fact the distress and anxiety one might experience from being transgender. It is the person's psychological reaction to being transgender, not being transgender itself.

"Gender dysphoria is the feeling of discomfort or distress that might occur in people whose gender identity differs from their sex assigned at birth or sex-related physical characteristics.

Transgender and gender-diverse people might experience gender dysphoria at some point in their lives. However, some transgender and gender-diverse people feel at ease with their bodies, with or without medical intervention.

A diagnosis for gender dysphoria is included in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), a manual published by the American Psychiatric Association. The diagnosis was created to help people with gender dysphoria get access to necessary health care and effective treatment. The term focuses on discomfort as the problem, rather than identity."---
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-cond...ssociation.

Hence the effective therapy for gender dysphoria becomes getting transgender persons to accept and live with their transgender state and view it as "not pathological". Syne et al wants to perpetuate the myth that just being transgender IS a mental illness, thus only increasing the suffering from it and stigma about it.