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Russian Ukraine Invasion

stryder Offline
(Jan 30, 2023 07:40 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: Russia is running out of tanks

i think the key element of the tanks is thier ability to kill armoured vehicles with guns on and kill entrenched ors inside buildings so thus eliminating protected fire positions.

i think the leopards and challengers and abrams will easily kill russian tanks
but
i think there is no advantage in trying to lure russian to accumulate a large number in one place because then its more likely a russian tank round may become lucky and hit a Ukrainian tank.

but . . .

i think a big ukrainian armoured assault would be awesome backed up with bradleys Archers & ceasars and drone recon units

Drone recon
on a big push it might be ideal to have a couple of usa predator drones as primary obs.
or
a few drones that can fly high so it cant be seen
probably operated from bradleys dedicated to a drone team
for example
5 Bradleys and 1 is a drone team and the rest is soldiers

The problem with surmounting a large scale counterattack with a number of tanks all in one position is Russia is known for it's use of dirty tactics. If they think they can wipe out a bunch of tanks in one go then they use Phosophorus or worse a nuke to remove them in one go. That means while it might make sense to use overpowering numbers to push one given position, Russia would likely rather glass the place than move forces from other areas to defend.

This means that Ukraines left with the problem that they have to attack in smaller numbers but in multiple locations at the same time, that in itself can be problematic as to open up offensive positions in so many locations at the same time is going to cause both a command and logistics nightmare (If attempting a centralised command structure, although in this instance it might be best to use a decentralised method). However spreading the attacks in different locations means that Russia doesn't have "fish in the barrel" to shoot at.
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Kornee Offline
Does anyone seriously think it's ever been a case of "Ukraine thinks this or that tactic"? Rather than a proxy war with Ukrainian grunts as cannon fodder.
Training, tactics, armaments, dictated and micromanaged/planned by the US in concert with the UK, years before Russia's 'special military operation' commenced.
If we're lucky, we may escape: https://www.unz.com/article/the-war-in-u...bang-soon/
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stryder Offline
(Jan 31, 2023 08:24 AM)Kornee Wrote: Does anyone seriously think it's ever been a case of "Ukraine thinks this or that tactic"? Rather than a proxy war with Ukrainian grunts as cannon fodder.
Training, tactics, armaments, dictated and micromanaged/planned by the US in concert with the UK, years before Russia's 'special military operation' commenced.
If we're lucky, we may escape: https://www.unz.com/article/the-war-in-u...bang-soon/

Russia (The corrupt leadership not the people) had been operating a proxy war ever since the inception of the Soviet Cold War. assassinations, espionage, false flag operations and subterfuge all things they have done (More so than most other countries)

The problem is that such actions are much like the usage of mustard gas during world war one, as soon as one side uses it, then everyone else involved thinks they can be just as moronic.
I mention WWI because to be honest civilisation in general is suppose to learn from it's past, not repeat the same "mistakes" (on purpose)
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Kornee Offline
(Jan 31, 2023 08:56 AM)stryder Wrote: Russia (The corrupt leadership not the people) had been operating a proxy war ever since the inception of the Soviet Cold War.  assassinations, espionage, false flag operations and subterfuge all things they have done (More so than most other countries) 

The problem is that such actions are much like the usage of mustard gas during world war one, as soon as one side uses it, then everyone else involved thinks they can be just as moronic.
I mention WWI because to be honest civilisation in general is suppose to learn from it's past, not repeat the same "mistakes" (on purpose)
Well sure. But then one could go back a lot further and ask who gave the Frankenstein monster all the breaks and high protein diet needed to not just survive but flourish unnaturally:
https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutt...tion-5.pdf
Somewhat further along, General George Patton suffered an 'unfortunate series of incidents' following his urging a drive all the way to Moscow at the end of WW2.
He was told he 'wasn't seeing the big picture'. That would be the Globalist One World Government picture. A fatal personal mistake evidently.

As for the purity of intentions of the oligarch regime running the US - I used to believe it was all as advertised. Not for a long time. Take Smedley Butler's observations for instance:
https://blog.libertasbella.com/smedley-butler-quotes/
To me it's glaringly obvious MSM presents just the latest time honored embodiment, of a long record of more or less crude wartime propaganda. Sure in Russia it's not much different just a different angle.
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Yazata Offline
Interesting remarks from an Australian volunteer about Wagner's performance at Bakhmut. He says that they are actually quite good, well organized and better equipped in some ways (like night-vision equipment and integrated artillery spotting drones) than the Ukrainian mobiks they are facing. And totally ruthless.

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/16...8108230656



(Jan 31, 2023 08:24 AM)Kornee Wrote: Does anyone seriously think it's ever been a case of "Ukraine thinks this or that tactic"?

Sure, I think that.

Quote:Rather than a proxy war with Ukrainian grunts as cannon fodder.

It does seem to be evolving in that direction. The Americans and the Western Europeans certainly seem to want to keep it going, though I don't know what their hoped-for end-game is.

Quote:Training, tactics, armaments, dictated and micromanaged/planned by the US in concert with the UK, years before Russia's 'special military operation' commenced.

Frankly, I think that man-for-man and at the tactical command level, the Ukrainian Army is superior to the US Army, or most Western European armies. So I don't think we have much to teach them. There are Pentagon officers advising them, but I don't know how much the battle-tested Ukrainian commanders listen to the US desk jockeys. Our advice might be more useful in areas like logistics. Our strength is better equipment, except that the Ukrainians don't need the latest and best gear in too small quantities to be really decisive, just larger amounts of gear that works. They are using their old 1980's Soviet model equipment, which they have in larger quantities, very effectively. We are certainly providing them with valuable help with things like secure communications and satellite imagery.
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Zinjanthropos Offline
(Feb 1, 2023 08:13 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/yU9P5wNN3yw

GLSDB confirmed
150 km range
100 kilogram war head
accuracy to 1 meter

Fantastic News
This will be a game changer
Ukraine can cut off Crimea with this by targeting all the bridges linking Crimea to Armiansk & Mykolaivka




https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/LLxJ5nQ3cKA

Is climate change (warmer winter) helping the Ukrainians? I would think the weapons at their disposal work in all kinds of weather. Seems to me that strategy wise, the Ukrainians have the edge which to me overshadows any weather predicaments.
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