Are just 0.01 percent of UFO reports unexplained?

What about UFO crash sites? Are they under even more secrecy than sightings? Surely a crash site would reveal the most information re alien spaceships. If they’re going to open up files then why don’t we hear of crash site investigations. Are airborne/landing sightings more believable/credible than crash sites? One doesn’t have to Google too far to find ufo crash incidents.

(Jul 9, 2022 12:44 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: What about UFO crash sites? Are they under even more secrecy than sightings? Surely a crash site would reveal the most information re alien spaceships. If they’re going to open up files then why don’t we hear of crash site investigations. Are airborne/landing sightings more believable/credible than crash sites? One doesn’t have to Google too far to find ufo crash incidents.

Indeed there is no shortage of articles on alleged crash incidents but none afaik offer anything close to independently verifiable evidence of remains of alien spacecraft and/or occupants.
Assume for arguments sake 'real' UFOs are 'nuts & bolts' interstellar physical craft. Nearest advanced civilization? Who knows but a few in the entire galaxy is as 'reasonable' a guess as any.
So likely a tens of thousands of light years journey from there to here. Assuming a single A to B journey.
Ballpark guestimate millions of years in advance of our tech. Expectation of ultra-reliability would be a huge understatement.

Just to get this far implies extraordinary reliability and durability.
Why then would any hyper advanced alien tech physical UFO actually malfunction in the slightest, let alone catastrophically so as to crash once here? Makes zero sense to me.
Something else behind the persistent lore. Some actual crashes maybe due to experimental terrestrial craft that would be expected to malfunction. Some perhaps satellite reentries. Some outright hoaxes.

Google crash site articles are unreliable? Why so many articles if not? Spacecraft can repair by robots during flight. Would not breaking down or wearing out violate some law?

Quote:Why then would any hyper advanced alien tech physical UFO actually malfunction in the slightest, let alone catastrophically so as to crash once here? Makes zero sense to me.
Something else behind the persistent lore.

Exactly. Are you saying better to believe the aerial sightings and contact landings but not crash sites? Makes no sense to me to exclude them. I think just for credibility’s sake that UFO crash sites should have the same impact(pardon the pun) on UFO pundits and deserve the same scrutiny as any other aerial phenomena.

I did read one crash investigation where the evidence kind of evaporated/dissolved away from the scene either by rain or some form of disassembly. Probably a built in mechanism that destroys all craft components lest they fall into our hands. Like a Prime Directive policy. Unless all crash site evidence is made public or at least credible the playing field favours skeptics. Will UFO adherents unanimously have to denounce any crash site story as fiction. Only a small step from there to total BS.

(Jul 9, 2022 05:37 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Google crash site articles are unreliable? Why so many articles if not? Spacecraft can repair by robots during flight. Would not breaking down or wearing out violate some law?

Quote:Why then would any hyper advanced alien tech physical UFO actually malfunction in the slightest, let alone catastrophically so as to crash once here? Makes zero sense to me.
Something else behind the persistent lore. 

Exactly. Are you saying better to believe the aerial sightings and contact landings but not crash sites? Makes no sense to me to exclude them. I think just for credibility’s sake that UFO crash sites should have the same impact(pardon the pun) on UFO pundits and deserve the same scrutiny as any other aerial phenomena.

I did read one crash investigation where the evidence kind of evaporated/dissolved away from the scene either by rain or some form of disassembly. Probably a built in mechanism that destroys all craft components lest they fall into our hands. Like a Prime Directive policy. Unless all crash site evidence is made public or at least credible the playing field favours skeptics. Will UFO adherents unanimously have to denounce any crash site story as fiction. Only a small step from there to total BS.

My position on nature of 'real' UFOs hasn't changed since here (and well before that, over at SF):
https://www.scivillage.com/thread-12463-...l#pid51667
Crash reports are a real puzzle but for reasons already given, the chances any are owing to malfunctioning actual physical interstellar craft, is imo extremely remote.

Quote: Crash reports are a real puzzle but for reasons already given, the chances any are owing to malfunctioning actual physical interstellar craft, is imo extremely remote.

Another thing that’s puzzling is the lack of reports of alien spacecraft detection when they’d be in orbit or on approach to Earth. Sure astronauts have reported seeing bogies but just how many UFO in space have been detected by any earthbound equipment? Ground/aircraft radar apparently can pick some up while in atmosphere so it shouldn’t be that hard. Eyes on the skies and ground sightings in remote areas seem to be the best indicator of something mechanical up there. Wouldn’t it be something to watch the 6 o’clock news with confirmed reports of alien craft in outer space near Earth?

(Jul 10, 2022 01:36 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:

Quote:  Crash reports are a real puzzle but for reasons already given, the chances any are owing to malfunctioning actual physical interstellar craft, is imo extremely remote. 

Another thing that’s puzzling is the lack of reports of alien spacecraft detection when they’d be in orbit or on approach to Earth. Sure astronauts have reported seeing bogies but just how many UFO in space have been detected by any earthbound equipment? Ground/aircraft radar apparently can pick some up while in atmosphere so it shouldn’t be that hard. Eyes on the skies and ground sightings in remote areas seem to be the best indicator of something mechanical up there. Wouldn’t it be something to watch the 6 o’clock news with confirmed reports of alien craft in outer space near Earth?

http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2012/12...hotos.html
One article I particularly saved, given how many times 'debunkers' over at SF brought up the argument astronomers have never reported seeing UFOs through telescopes. Doubtless there are other such articles out there in internet land.

One thing I need an explanation for is why do the alien craft, after crossing light years of space, need what appears to be rocket propulsion according to many eyewitnesses? What could they be burning and if they need more fuel then where do they get it? Other worlds along the way? Would they be using a separate propulsion system in space than in an atmosphere? Hovering above the ground without any evidence of exhaust probably indicates they don’t need rockets and just maybe have some control over gravity, idk. Seems pointless to me for a gravity defying ship to need rockets for any purpose, yet many reports include flames and exhaust. I guess any machinery doing the work generates heat and that needs to be expelled. Bad luck if you’re standing there when it happens.

(Jul 11, 2022 03:14 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: One thing I need an explanation for is why do the alien craft, after crossing light years of space, need what appears to be rocket propulsion according to many eyewitnesses? What could they be burning and if they need more fuel then where do they get it? Other worlds along the way? Would they be using a separate propulsion system in space than in an atmosphere? Hovering above the ground without any evidence of exhaust probably indicates they don’t need rockets and just maybe have some control over gravity, idk. Seems pointless to me for a gravity defying ship to need rockets for any purpose, yet many reports include flames and exhaust. I guess any machinery doing the work generates heat and that needs to be expelled. Bad luck if you’re standing there when it happens.

They just put on weird displays for presumably mutual amusement. Only just finished watching this uncredited Australian TV documentary from 1994:
https://youtu.be/GHQSE2uxDUA
There is no 'rational' explanation fitting the usual interstellar alien visitors narrative. It's about evoking bewilderment/awe/fear etc. By nonphysical intelligences from 'elsewhere'.
People like Robert Salas of 1967 alleged UFO initiated Nuclear missile silos shutdown: https://www.wanttoknow.info/ufos/robert_salas_ufo
, has often stated there is a 'solemn message' being sent - get rid of your nukes. A poor job then because no-one that matters gave a damn. Then or ever since.
Instead, imo it was just another whimsical stunt by 'them'. Although the whole affair is disputed in that case.

The Gosford ufo! I had forgotten all about that one. Tks for posting it. I'm gonna post it in SciForums.

Gosford UFO is a good one. Does unexplained UAP automatically translate to mean extraterrestrial in origin? If not then what percentage of the .01% has legitimate alien distinction?