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Kornee
Jul 12, 2022 05:45 AM
(Jul 11, 2022 07:17 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: The Gosford ufo! I had forgotten all about that one. Tks for posting it. I'm gonna post it in SciForums. You're welcome. No defections from the skeptics brigade will follow of course. Only the usual empty 'Why no HD cinematic proof' type rebuttals.
It's unfortunate there is no report of photographs taken. But not unexpected as the bizarre antics would primarily invoke transfixed awe, not a rush to snap a pic.
Consistency of the description from many geographically isolated, unrelated, and diverse backgrounds witnesses cannot be put down to mass hysteria.
Print articles with a few extra details iirc not mentioned in the YouTube vid:
https://www.top10ufo.com/alien-craft-suc...australia/
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslo...b40dcc06a6
So the event managed to become 'political'.
The event(s) happened but as I maintain, is wholly inconsistent in nature from what to reasonably expect of interstellar space aliens.
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Kornee
Jul 12, 2022 11:35 AM
Positions that go like 'I think something actually happened' are so limp-wristed wishy-washy as to nauseate me. After STUDYING a controversial topic for years on end, a far more solid position is imo expected. That is the case with me. As everybody here and over at SF are well aware.
'Something actually happened' is applicable to a speck of dust alighting on your desktop, or an Autumn leaf falling to the ground. Not particularly profound. And certainly not the kind of equivocal position to draw any fierce flack.
I don't particularly care about hostile attacks from empty-head critics. It's to be expected. For those who maybe subconsciously rationalize so as to avoid such hostile flack, why contribute anything at all?
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Zinjanthropos
Jul 12, 2022 07:19 PM
Glad I’m not the only one who wonders about such things…
https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2011/0...headlights
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Magical Realist
Jul 12, 2022 09:11 PM
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(Jul 12, 2022 07:19 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Glad I’m not the only one who wonders about such things…
https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2011/0...headlights
I have long wondered about this paradox of ufos--that they constantly elude us yet light up like discos at night attracting attention. Something of an ancient trickster spirit behind them. Of a cosmic sideshow carnival barker to keep our interest piqued while fooling us again and again. The warning from the Bible of being wary of lying spirits comes to mind.
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Zinjanthropos
Jul 13, 2022 04:43 PM
(Jul 12, 2022 09:11 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: (Jul 12, 2022 07:19 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Glad I’m not the only one who wonders about such things…
https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2011/0...headlights
I have long wondered about this paradox of ufos--that they constantly elude us yet light up like discos at night attracting attention. Something of an ancient trickster spirit behind them. Of a cosmic sideshow carnival barker to keep our interest piqued while fooling us again and again. The warning from the Bible of being wary of lying spirits comes to mind.
It’s like Toyland visits us daily. I say that because while my grandkids were here last week my wife and I at the end of the day picked up all their toys and threw them in a plastic toy box. Sometimes after an electronic toy got tossed in, it would light up, move around, make noises, etc. Sometimes they’d start on their own. I wondered what it would be like for an ant at the bottom of the box when above something is moving, flashing and making noise. The Earth, a place for an unseen alien kid’s toys 
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Kornee
Jul 14, 2022 05:04 AM
(Jul 13, 2022 04:43 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: ...It’s like Toyland visits us daily. I say that because while my grandkids were here last week my wife and I at the end of the day picked up all their toys and threw them in a plastic toy box. Sometimes after an electronic toy got tossed in, it would light up, move around, make noises, etc. Sometimes they’d start on their own. I wondered what it would be like for an ant at the bottom of the box when above something is moving, flashing and making noise. The Earth, a place for an unseen alien kid’s toys Only we are the ones being toyed with, evidently out of generally perverse impulses. 'Exploring/monitoring Earth' standard ufology narrative doesn't fit terribly well.
Here's a ready made rabbit hole complex to explore:
http://whitecrowbooks.com/features/page/...-st._clair
Yep - high strangeness solves it all. Well ok it at least labels the overall scene a bit better.
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Magical Realist
Jul 14, 2022 08:13 PM
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Good article. Sheds light on some of the more bizarre ufo cases out there. Might tie together various subnarratives of the ufo phenomena like cattle mutilations, men in black, and gray abduction accounts.
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Kornee
Jul 21, 2022 07:43 AM
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MR, if you are in luck and manage to read this before that disingenuous piece of s**t JR gets to it first, here's one counterexample to 'choppers only scoop' (re p342 #6825 over at perennial UFO thread at SF):
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-.../118369072
AFAIK 'Elvis' is the ONLY extant example of a suck-up chopper in use in Australia. And an easy matter to confirm 'Elvis' was for sure not in use at the time of the 1994 Gosford UFO incidents. For one simple reason - 'Elvis' did not exist (in Australia anyway) back then:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_(helicopter)
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Zinjanthropos
Jul 21, 2022 06:17 PM
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Copying videos not my thing…..
Better than water scooping helicopters @ Gosford but not around in ‘94 unless some kind of prototype?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkxdkPJhIwA
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Kornee
Jul 22, 2022 03:36 AM
Ha ha - nice display from 2013. And includes some of the elements of the Gosford incidents. What is clear is that 'Elvis' had nothing close to the features described by the many witnesses, including a retired air traffic controller, and baffled police who gave chase.
I won't even bother to check that there were no bush fires reported on the day in that area in particular. Hence no reason for any water bombing chopper to be in the vicinity.
Let alone performing water suck up at night. Which is probably strictly prohibited by flight safety rules.
One yawn-yawn 'debunker' likes to suggest the many scattered witnesses were all fools and/or colluding together in a massive and elaborate hoax story. Well if one can dismiss the 2004 and 2014/2015 US Navy encounters as a comedy of errors, why not with the Gosford incidents, and anything else for that matter.
Best to simply come clean and admit no amount of reliable multi-witness anecdotal and/or even high quality military state-of-the-art multi-spectrum recorded evidence, will ever suffice.
Always one can just keep raising the bar by demanding more and more unreasonable cross-checks and such. As is displayed over at the SF UFO thread.
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