Russian Ukraine Invasion

The Ukrainians give as well as they get. Here's a Russian ammunition depot on fire with secondary explosions in Zymohiria, about 33 miles from the front line. I wonder if it was the Ukrainians taking advantage of longer range artillery.

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/stat...0052457476

(twitter video above wont play for me my ISP is blocking it)

Orcs firing on a shopping mall full of people
16 dead (death toll is rising)
many injured
entire shopping centre burned to the ground

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61956711

this looks like they are targeting food

remember those other missile strikes on shopping malls
looks systematic and deliberate

targeting civilians

given the sanctions are kicking in with computer chips
i wonder if the Orcs are targeting technology shops to wipe out cell phones and computers as well as food.

2 months back they were targeting petrol stations mechanics and parking lots in front of residential buildings(targeting civilian vehicles to trap the civilians in and then use them as human shields)

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/IQVxky7-pX0

Quote:The Ukrainian Air Force command said the shopping centre was struck by Kh-22 missiles launched from Tu-22M3 long-range bombers - however the BBC has been unable to verify this.

https://weaponsparade.com/weapon/kh-22-as-4-kitchen/

Day 124 Summary. Four months in.

https://militaryland.net/ukraine/invasio...4-summary/

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgro...nt-june-27

(Jun 27, 2022 11:17 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: (twitter video above wont play for me my ISP is blocking it)

Orcs firing on a shopping mall full of people
16 dead (death toll is rising)
many injured
entire shopping centre burned to the ground

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61956711

this looks like they are targeting food

remember those other missile strikes on shopping malls
looks systematic and deliberate

targeting civilians

given the sanctions are kicking in with computer chips
i wonder if the Orcs are targeting technology shops to wipe out cell phones and computers as well as food.

2 months back they were targeting petrol stations mechanics and parking lots in front of residential buildings(targeting civilian vehicles to trap the civilians in and then use them as human shields)

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/IQVxky7-pX0

Quote:The Ukrainian Air Force command said the shopping centre was struck by Kh-22 missiles launched from Tu-22M3 long-range bombers - however the BBC has been unable to verify this.

https://weaponsparade.com/weapon/kh-22-as-4-kitchen/

They bombed an open for business mall! There's no low the Russians will not sink to.

I do understand certain incensed attitudes against 'barbaric aggressor' Russia re this Grand Chessboard 'game' being played out in Ukraine. Even using a Google-free search engine, it takes patience to find a site that presents other than 'barbaric aggressor' angle. That could be due to that they really are just as bad as MSM saturation PR presents it. The overwhelming majority of pro heroic and utterly innocent Ukraine (regime!) vs war mongering Putin regime Russia as verified fact.

But I have learned not to trust MSM narrative - on anything at all. If something smells off, investigate more widely and deeply. Why would Putin & Co be so stupid as to consciously ok actions that inevitably MUST generate world wide condemnation? Collective Death Wish? Really? Realize 'The West's' MSM may have been completely subjugated to behind-the-scenes super-rich oligarch Chessboard Players.

OK, so I'm suggesting taking the time to study and think about the following article from a few months back. We all should all still remember the 'Russian atrocity event':
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2...lse-flags/

As regards the latest 'Russian aggressor atrocity', who here ever bothers to put that alongside a similar type of event that occurred in Afghanistan:
https://news.yahoo.com/afghan-hospital-b...23070.html

Notice any difference in how it all played out, or rather quickly petered out in one instance? Would anyone like even starker comparisons> How about:
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2017/...on-terror/
But don't forget - 'we' are the Good Guys - always!

I have plenty of times referred to a Wikispooks article absolutely NAILING the true culprits behind 9-11, but it inevitably is just water off a duck's back. Blank stares response. The all too effective power of Madison Avenue advertising/brain-washing.

Orc Terrorism
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/bEavQoHp64c

(Jun 28, 2022 06:20 AM)Kornee Wrote: I have plenty of times referred to a Wikispooks article absolutely NAILING the true culprits behind 9-11, but it inevitably is just water off a duck's back. Blank stares response. The all too effective power of Madison Avenue advertising/brain-washing.

in your own words
in simple language

who do you think committed the 9/11 attacks ?

(have a 95% probability that you wont answer)

Orc Terrorism
massive cruise missile strikes busy shopping mall
not an accident
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/Oar_jedqSYk

One of the problems in warfare is keeping your own people on your side and the enemy on theirs. If your army is losing support within your own country it may be expedient to flatten a few cities and blow up a few hospitals in the sure and certain knowledge that the enemy will retaliate and give you the support you need within your own country. To take the whole of Ukraine Putin needs Zelensky to fight 'until the last man falls' at which point Ukraine becomes Russian by right of conquest without any silly peace contracts or other nonsense.

Obviously both sides are human but it advances the war machine of both sides to dehumanise the other - hence talk of 'orcs' and we know not what on the Russian side. It is essential for a war machine that both sides are ready to kill without hesitation. From an impartial reporting standpoint it is essential that the position both sides find themselves in is conveyed and where possible respected. When prisoners are taken they are should be treated with respect (as human) not as 'orcs'.

It is interesting to look at The Art of War by Sun Tzu - Putin seems to be fouling up in every way possible.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War

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Edit. One of the problems for leaders in time of war is the outbreak of peace. This can be be local where soldiers hand over their weapons without a fight and potentially switch sides or on a larger scale where the 'enemy' sues for peace before the desired territory has been taken. I think we see the Russian army (Putin) ensuring there are no inconvenient outbreaks of peace. 'Orcs' is expedient for both sides - personally I feel the term is unhelpful in the context of impartial reporting.

(Jun 29, 2022 01:57 AM)confused2 Wrote: One of the problems in warfare is keeping your own people on your side and the enemy on theirs. If your army is losing support within your own country it may be expedient to flatten a few cities and blow up a few hospitals in the sure and certain knowledge that the enemy will retaliate and give you  the support you need within your own country. To take the whole of Ukraine Putin needs Zelensky to fight 'until the last man falls' at which point Ukraine becomes Russian by right of conquest without any silly peace contracts or other nonsense.

Obviously both sides are human but it advances the war machine of both sides to dehumanise the other - hence talk of 'orcs' and we know not what on the Russian side. It is essential for a war machine that both sides are ready to kill without hesitation. From an impartial reporting standpoint it is essential that the position both sides find themselves in is conveyed and where possible respected. When prisoners are taken they are should be treated with respect (as human) not as 'orcs'.

It is interesting to look at The Art of War by Sun Tzu - Putin seems to be fouling up in every way possible.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War

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Edit. One of the problems for leaders in time of war is the outbreak of peace. This can be be local where soldiers hand over their weapons without a fight and potentially switch sides or on a larger scale where the 'enemy' sues for peace before the desired territory has been taken. I think we see the Russian army (Putin) ensuring there are no inconvenient outbreaks of peace. 'Orcs' is expedient for both sides - personally I feel the term is unhelpful in the context of impartial reporting.

But I must confess: I experienced a guilty pleasure when RU first introduced either the bad Tokien word or the bad tabletop gamer's word (Ork). The shame, the shame... Now I must slink away in disgrace and remorse.

Daniel Graystone: "Why did you confess to the crowd that our daughter Zoe may have caused the bombing, and apologize? Now all of Caprica is furious at us."

Amanda Graystone: "I don't know. I was just suddenly overwhelmed by more than mere suspicion, and deep regret for the lives lost. The puzzle pieces fell into place at the wrong place and the wrong time."

Hit the buzzer. "Episode four, titled Reins of a Waterfall."

"That's correct, Cecilia. You've won the $3,000 jackpot. How on Earth did you know that, especially since it was purely paraphrased dialogue concocted from one of our studio staff member's vague memories?"

Jumping up and down in giddiness. "I don't know, Don. I honestly don't know. Woweee!"