Gender-neutral restrooms...causing girls to...stay home when menstruating

Even worse, some people now expect you to accept them changing their gender identity (gender fluid), even multiple times a day, and the responsibility being yours to ask their preferred gender pronoun. Joe Rogan talks about similar insanity to claiming you're Christ (@5:05):
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/vbT2sQ1GmgY

It's all just enabling genuine mental illness.
Yeah, in the UK, it probably is a hate-crime to tell people otherwise.

(Oct 20, 2019 03:59 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: If I go around thinking I'm Jesus Christ then who's to say I'm not..... especially in this political climate. If a man thinks he's a woman and that qualifies him for female status then in all fairness I should be allowed to be Christ. For anyone who publicly states I am not Christ or deranged for thinking so, are they committing a hate crime?

I'm more prone to feel that saying anything negative about Mohammed would be prosecuted as hate-crime first. As priority-wise Christ slash Christians are kind of second fiddle to Islam nowadays in terms of preaching from SocJus. Also, in contrast, any mentally-ill person or deliberate imposter claiming to be the Prophet would not be long for this world unless heavily protected by security behind walls.

Good news for "verbal-only" trans boys wanting to dominate girl sports: The legislation would create a civil right for male athletes to self-identify as females at any time, critics say, without any evidence of physical changes to their bodies. [Again, note that it is what those critics claimed -- we'd have to take a direct look at it ourselves to be sure.]

The threat of being fired, litigation, and "you're a hater" branding are sufficient to intimidate teachers, parents and the educational system in general these days. Thanks to social media and its vigilante justice element, it's vastly easier now to virally destroy a person's or organization's reputation and turn one into a nationwide public-enemy #1.

So we might as well get accustomed to living in a surreal world. Even those who worship him perhaps privately admit that a personality like Trump becoming POTUS would once have seemed just as dreamlike and commonsense-evaporating as society accepting a boy being a girl on word-only assertions. On the plus side, it's got to inspire Mad Mike Hughes that a door has opened to where he really can prove the Earth is flat if he just keeps at it.

This decade or the last few years almost makes me wonder occasionally if I'm in An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge situation -- you know, like I'm moments from death but hallucinating a span of days, weeks, months or years during that last interval of brain activity.

Quote:This decade or the last few years almost makes me wonder occasionally if I'm in An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge situation -- you know, like I'm moments from death but hallucinating a span of days, weeks, months or years during that last interval of brain activity.

That was a good little story, seen it a couple of times. 

I think Syne is close when he said mental illness is being enabled. Maybe the mentally ill are in charge. Funny how you can call the POTUS a mental midget and get away with it but not so with anyone else.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/5/13...ealth-care

"Major medical organizations, like the American Medical Association and American Psychiatric Association, say being transgender is not a mental disorder.

The APA explained this in explicit terms when it stopped using the term “gender identity disorder” in favor of “gender dysphoria”: “Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing ‘disorder’ with ‘dysphoria’ in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is ‘disordered.’”

Gender dysphoria — a state of emotional distress caused by how someone’s body or the gender they were assigned at birth conflicts with their gender identity — is a widely recognized medical condition. If untreated, it can lead to severe mental health issues, including debilitating depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation.

But the AMA, APA, and other medical experts agree that letting someone transition, which can entail medical treatments like hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries, without social stigma is the main treatment for gender dysphoria. In this way, being trans isn’t the medical condition; living as trans is in fact the treatment to the medical condition.

And not all trans people deal with severe dysphoria. It’s barely or not present for some trans people, while it’s mentally excruciating for others.

These facts show that psychological distress and disability aren’t inherent to being trans, so being trans doesn’t meet the definition of a mental disorder (a psychological state that causes significant distress and disability)."

Just more people enabling mental illness. Gender dysphoria seems to be in the same vein as body integrity dysphoria (transabled), which no one would doubt is a serious mental illness. Wanting to remove body parts to be disabled isn't too far removed from wanting to remove sex organs (becoming sexually disabled)...both so they can purportedly feel like their body matches their mental state. Anyone who cannot see the direct analog between the two is either politically motivated or a moron.

History will look back on this time as horribly barbaric, much like we now see the height of insane asylum abuses. Be on the right side of history.

(Oct 21, 2019 12:05 AM)Syne Wrote: Just more people enabling mental illness. Gender dysphoria seems to be in the same vein as body integrity dysphoria (transabled), which no one would doubt is a serious mental illness. Wanting to remove body parts to be disabled isn't too far removed from wanting to remove sex organs (becoming sexually disabled)...both so they can purportedly feel like their body matches their mental state. Anyone who cannot see the direct analog between the two is either politically motivated or a moron.

History will look back on this time as horribly barbaric, much like we now see the height of insane asylum abuses. Be on the right side of history.

History will actually look back on this time and wonder why there was a class of people so hateful of transgender persons that they had to invoke mental illness as a description for them. Just like there was a time when being gay was once viewed as mentally ill, so too will there be a time when transgender persons were once viewed as mentally ill. Psychiatrists and psychologists nowadays know better. Your hatred for what people do to make themselves healthy and happy is the real illness. Why is it such a big deal to you? Why should it involve you at all what someone does with their own body? It doesn't. It's a form of projective hatred and bigotry that has its own dysfunctional etiology. An irrational phobia for people who are too different from you.

(Oct 21, 2019 12:31 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Oct 21, 2019 12:05 AM)Syne Wrote: Just more people enabling mental illness. Gender dysphoria seems to be in the same vein as body integrity dysphoria (transabled), which no one would doubt is a serious mental illness. Wanting to remove body parts to be disabled isn't too far removed from wanting to remove sex organs (becoming sexually disabled)...both so they can purportedly feel like their body matches their mental state. Anyone who cannot see the direct analog between the two is either politically motivated or a moron.

History will look back on this time as horribly barbaric, much like we now see the height of insane asylum abuses. Be on the right side of history.

History will actually look back on this time and wonder why there was a class of people so hateful of transgender persons that they had to invoke mental illness as a description for them. Just like there was a time when being gay was once viewed as mentally ill, so too will there be a time when transgender persons were once viewed as mentally ill. Psychiatrists and psychologists nowadays know better. Your hatred for what people do to make themselves healthy and happy is the real illness. Why is it such a big deal to you? Why should it involve you at all what someone does with their own body? It doesn't. It's a form of projective hatred and bigotry that has its own dysfunctional etiology. An irrational phobia for people who are too different from you.

And there's your personal conflict of interest, spelled out quite clearly.

Just like there are laws that keep people from taking advantage of, and profiting from, the mentally indisposed, there is a medical/psychiatric industry in perpetuating "issues" that require lifetime treatment. Objectively, harming healthy bodies is not "doing no harm", no matter the tortured justification.

And history has proven that every slippery slope is real. Gay marriage leads to politicians calling for churches to lose their non-profit status (and thus their freedom of speech) unless they fall in line with LGBT dogma. Transgender "rights" leads to children being taken from their parents who won't start irreversibly transitioning their underage children. If these slippery slopes hadn't already proven to be true, maybe you'd have a point. Personally, I don't care what anyone wants to call a "marriage". That's their own issues, at least if government ever gets out of the marriage business, as it should only regulate civil unions as a matter contract law, rather than give any personal relationship a stamp of approval. The point is that none of these agendas are ever considered "accomplished" and always continue until they do encroach on the rights of others. No fear involved, just objective facts proven by history.

But people with a personal stake, like gays, must spew their hateful projections, because they are the ones with the irrational fear. They seem incapable of discussing such issues in a rational and cool-headed manner devoid of personal invective.

Quote:Just like there are laws that keep people from taking advantage of, and profiting from, the mentally indisposed, there is a medical/psychiatric industry in perpetuating "issues" that require lifetime treatment.

Actually changing it from a disorder to a dysphoria is a major step in reducing treatment of transgender people as if they are mentally ill. So no, it isn't in line with some psychiatric conspiracy to get more people into treatment.

Quote:Gay marriage leads to politicians calling for churches to lose their non-profit status (and thus their freedom of speech) unless they fall in line with LGBT dogma. Transgender "rights" leads to children being taken from their parents who won't start irreversibly transitioning their underage children.

Where are these happening? Cite some real world examples..

(Oct 21, 2019 01:43 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Just like there are laws that keep people from taking advantage of, and profiting from, the mentally indisposed, there is a medical/psychiatric industry in perpetuating "issues" that require lifetime treatment.

Actually changing it from a disorder to a dysphoria is a major step in reducing treatment of transgender people as if they are mentally ill. So no, it isn't in line with some psychiatric conspiracy to get more people into treatment.

The actual transitioning requires medical care and that usually requires some amount of mental evaluation before taking such irreversible steps. Not to mention the ongoing mental care when transitioning doesn't solve the person's problems, and often exacerbates them.

Quote:

Quote:Gay marriage leads to politicians calling for churches to lose their non-profit status (and thus their freedom of speech) unless they fall in line with LGBT dogma. Transgender "rights" leads to children being taken from their parents who won't start irreversibly transitioning their underage children.

Where are these happening? Cite some real world examples..

Beto basically wants to bankrupt churches who don’t believe in gay marriage
Pelosi’s Equality Act Could Lead to More Parents Losing Custody of Kids Who Want "Gender Transition"

Get out from under your rock.

Quote:The actual transitioning requires medical care and that usually requires some amount of mental evaluation before taking such irreversible steps. Not to mention the ongoing mental care when transitioning doesn't solve the person's problems, and often exacerbates them.

You're the one wrongly proclaiming it a mental illness. So now you're saying it shouldn't receive psychiatric treatment because it profits the psychiatric industry? That doesn't make sense. What? Transgender people don't have the right to therapy under your regime?

Quote:Beto basically wants to bankrupt churches who don’t believe in gay marriage
Pelosi’s Equality Act Could Lead to More Parents Losing Custody of Kids Who Want "Gender Transition"

Reactionary fearmongering from conservative rags. A far stretch from actually becoming law..